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Power 93.

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Okay.

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Tampa Bay's only
all oldies station.

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Florida's favorite

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country music station.

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Tampa Bay's home
of rock and roll--

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It's been a ton

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of commercials
and way too much talk on--

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This is BRN,
the Bubba Radio Network.

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-  Power Pig. Hello.
-  Yeah, I'd like to talk
to the complaint department.

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-  Okay.
Can you hold on, sir?
-  Yeah.

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I'll transfer ya.

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It's No Panties Thursday.

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7:05, with No Panties Thursday.

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I'm Bubba the Love Sponge,

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and my homie Guido
on The Power Pig 93.3 FM.

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One morning on my drive to work,
Brent Hatley calls me

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and says, flat out,

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"Has Hogan
ever fucked your wife?"

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There's a still of Hulk Hogan
and Heather, and I look close.

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Even though it's grainy,
I look close and I'm like,

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"Oh, that's Bubba's bedroom."

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I was like, "Holy shit.

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There's a videotape of this
and The Dirty has it?"

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I said, "Listen, run upstairs
and look at my desk

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and see if there are,
uh, uh, any DVDs

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in my locked
desk drawer to the left."

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"Open it."

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I was like, "Bubba,
there's no DVDs in here at all."

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I knew I was fucked.
I absolutely knew

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my life was about to change
drastically for the worse.

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Hulk Hogan filed two lawsuits
today against Heather Clem

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and her ex-husband
Bubba the Love Sponge.

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Are you any nearer
to knowing who betrayed you?

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- At this point, no.
You know, we had TMZ.
-  Yeah.

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You know, they're pointing
to a very good friend of mine,

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Bubba the Love Sponge,
and to this day, I would have

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to see the tape to believe that.

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And I haven't seen the tape.

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The videotape starred

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Hogan and Heather Clem.

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Um, she was the ex-wife
of shock jock
Bubba the Love Sponge.

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Posting a secretly-taped
sex video

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showing Hogan
with his best friend's wife.

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A sex video of Hulk
and Heather doing their thing.

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She was married to Bubba
at the time.

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I was doing, uh,
my daily show preparation.

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I have to go through all
the news, and boom, here it is

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on a website called The Dirty.

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First thought
that goes through my head is,

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"Oh, Heather's doing this
to fuck him over."

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What is it like when Hogan
walks out after he's had sex
with your wife?

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And, and, like,
all of a sudden he goes,
"Okay, man, I'll see you later."

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I mean, don't you-- Aren't you
sort of angry, even at yourself?

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The real problem in itself
is who the hell leaked this?

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-  Right.
Now, you said-- Listen.
-  That's the problem.

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I guess he feels you leaked it.

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"Bubba taped it.
Bubba fucking tried to sell it.

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Bubba tried to extort Hogan."

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Bu-- You know, the only thing
I really did wrong

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is I let
my best friend fuck my wife

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and my surveillance tape got it.

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I can't think of anything
that would make me
look more dumb

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than leaking this tape.

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Here's Bubba, his best friend,

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now looks like he sold the tape.

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It looks like,
you know, he's a cuckold,

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that he's letting his wife sleep
with anybody and everybody.

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And, and now this friendship,

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this, this beautiful brotherhood
was being shattered.

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That day, he called me.
He said, "It's over.

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And I don't want
to be here anymore."

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Hogan knows Bubba
didn't take that tape.

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Didn't sell that tape,
didn't give that tape away.

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- It was stolen from them.
- Bubba was saying, "It's cool."

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Honestly,
Heather was relentless.

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- "I wanna see your thing.
I wanna f you."
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- On and on and on.
- Um, I didn't go up there
and check on it daily. I didn't.

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And, and again...
joke's on me.

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I should have
destroyed it immediately.

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This was a radio war

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that Hogan was used as the pawn.

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It is a mystery
that has stretched
from here to Hollywood.

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Who stole and leaked
the videotape

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that's now at the center
of a $100 million lawsuit?

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It's...
it's a dirty game.

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I'm telling you, you guys are...

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You're just
scratching the surface.

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I was born in Warsaw, Indiana,

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and that's where
I was raised as well.

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Well, my sister is my world.
Still is to this day.

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My mother as well. You know,
my mother has been my rock.

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Bubba was an awesome kid.

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He really was.
I don't know what happened.

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He put the cat in a ten-pound
bag of potatoes in the dryer.

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He ate all
of your birth control pills.

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- He did.
- One time.

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- And pee on you in the bathtub.
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Pee on me in the bathtub.
That was a classic.

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In fourth grade,
I actually wrote "fuck"
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in Magic Marker,
and they just got
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and it ended up
being a really big whodunit.

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They closed
the whole school down.
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I don't think
they still know who did it.
That was kind of like

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my very first mischievous thing
that I can think that I did.

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His room was right next to mine,
and he would always be

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in his room by himself,
performing,

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and he'd have the radio on.

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And he was listening
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And he's in there,
doing his own commentary.

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And I would be listening.

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He would imitate Howard Cosell.

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Hello again, everyone.
It's good to have you...

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He was always the star, though.
"He'd score the touch--

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- Oh, he's going down the field.
There he goes."
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-  And it would
always be him.
- "Clem for them. Hail Mary."

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- Yeah.
- But, you know, he always
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and it was innate.

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And I was a, uh, uh,
a bouncer at a club,

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and the club
was called Jubilation.

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And they brought this local
radio guy in named Kerry Gray.

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Well, I'm like, "Listen, buddy.
Uh, I know who you are.

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And how hard is it
to be on the radio anyway?
I can do that."

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So, Kerry Gray said,
"Well, you know what?

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Tomorrow is April Fool's Day."

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And he said, "We're gonna
bring in common people

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off the, off the streets
to be local radio personality.

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Why don't you come in
on my show?"

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So, I went in there
and I'm watching
how all this is operating.

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And his phone lines
are going crazy.

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Here's this fucking nerd
that has got all these chicks
calling him up.

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And so I started
hanging out with Kerry

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and I eventually
got to do overnights,

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like 2:00 a.m. to 6:00 a.m.

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I remember calling
my mom up and saying,

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"Mom, I can't make
Christmas this year."

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She's like, "What do you mean
you can't fucking make Chr--"

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I go, "'Cause I'm on the radio.
I'm a--"

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My mom said,
"Are you a fuckin' idiot?"

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He made the announcement.
Sat everyone down and he said,

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"I wanna be
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As I started to hang out
with Kerry, we would go

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to all these fraternity parties
and these sorority parties,

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and a couple girls
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And so the next day on the air,
and Kerry was like,

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you know, "103 PFR."
Uh, "'Scary' Kerry Gray.

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I saw Bubba with some chicks,

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and he was soaking up love
like a sponge.

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I'm gonna start calling him
Bubba the Love Sponge.

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Bubba the Love Sponge
is coming up next."

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And I remember he turned
the microphone off.

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I said, "Don't you ever fucking
call me that name again."

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"Oh." He was just like,
"It's just funny,
Bubba the Love Sponge.

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You're just soaking up love."
I said, "Shut the fuck up.
Don't ever call me that again."

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"Bubba the Love Sponge.
Bubba the Love Sponge.
Bubba the Love Sponge."

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Thank you.

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You know, my early,
my early year or two in radio

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wasn't really that spectacular.

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I was just jockeying records

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and, and doing intros
for the most part.

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Not until I got an opportunity
to go to Grand Rapids.

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Uh, and a guy sat me down.
His name is Greg Cassidy.

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And he said-- I can remember
we were at the McDonald's
in downtown Grand Rapids,

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and he said, "Listen,
I listened to you on the air,
and you're real stiff.

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And that's not really you.
Why don't you act

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like the way you act
when we're out, going--

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you know, hanging out
with the boys,
and you're cutting jokes,

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and you're making fun of people,
and you're cutting on your boys.

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Why don't you act that way?"

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And I'm like,
"Are you sure you want that?

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I mean, are you really sure
that that's what you want?

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'Cause I'd love to do that
instead of this bullshit."

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And he's like,
"Just let it rip."

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So, that night, man,
I'm like, you know--

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That's when I started
kind of lettin' it rip.

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He calls himself
Bubba the Love Sponge,

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and he pushes
all the legal limits nightly
on Power 93.

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He's simply disgusting.
Why? Because the things he says.

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I want her to hand you--
her panties to you

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and I want you to sniff 'em
live on the radio.

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Bubba was one of those guys
that pushes the edges.

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Everything that I have learned
in school about how to do
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he's breaking
every fucking rule.

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Bubba was an incredible talent.

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Uh, you know, listening to him
on the air, you could tell

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that he had
a real strong command
of the art form of being on air.

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And, uh, he had the ability to,

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you know, really work the guests
and, and know how to steer 'em

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in the direction that he wanted
them to go in to get,

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you know, the most entertaining

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or the most engaging
conversation out of them.

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Everybody in town would listen
with bated breath in the morning

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for what he would say
or what he pontificated about.

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Wish you guys
a happy No Panties Thursday.

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Five women just called us
about 15 minutes ago,

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said, uh,
"Bubba the Love Sponge,
we don't have our panties on.

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We're sitting here,
getting buff muff."

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At his heart,
he's a toxic personality.

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It, it would encourage people
to be bullies.

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It would encourage people
to be sexist

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and to have these sort of
simplistic views.

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His voice is annoying,
his whole demeanor is annoying.

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- Just negative vibes.
-  But you listen
to Bubba the Love Sponge,

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the old man on the radio
that's got the b****
to really say it like it is.

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I'm talking No Panties Thursday.
I'm talking lesbians.

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I'm talking limos, 1900 numbers.

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I'm talking lesbians like...

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A guy named Marc Chase calls me.
And there's a radio station

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in Tampa, Florida
called The Power Pig.

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"Hey, dude, it's Marc Chase
from Tampa, Florida. Power Pig."

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I go, "Yeah." He goes,
"Man, we need a fucking
crazy guy like you at night."

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I quickly established myself

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as the, as the star
of the radio station.

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Like, for instance,
Brent Hatley will tell you
that I love stories

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about teachers that are
hooking up with their kids.

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Not the guys hooking up
with the, the female students,
but the vice versas.

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I think that's pretty hot.
I like sports, I like strippers.

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Something that I can have
a very polarizing opinion about

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and really get
people churned up.

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Bubba admits to being fired

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from four radio stations
for outrageous behavior.

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But keep in mind,
he's number one at night.

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The bottom line is,
is that I have a 15-one share

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of the market and,
uh, you know, it--

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I don't think
the advertisers are buying
what I say, and my views.

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They're buying the people
that are listening to my show.

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In Tampa in the early '90s,
if you would ask a soccer mom

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what they thought about Bubba,
they'd probably equate him
to the Devil.

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Maybe Hugh Hefner,
but maybe ten times worse.

230
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Why do kids love him
and parents hate him?

231
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Stop by your kid's room
between 7:00 and 11:00 p.m.

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You may find out.

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This is BRN,
the Bubba Radio Network.

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What?

235
00:12:24,482 --> 00:12:25,657
7:06, the new sound of The Pig,

236
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BTLS, Bubba the Love Sponge.

237
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Go ahead, uh, ma'am.

238
00:12:30,140 --> 00:12:32,099
Um, I really like your station,
but I think that,

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um, the foul language,
you need to cut out on that

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until, like, ten o'clock,
because I have two young kids,

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and I like
to listen to the station,
and all you say is

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s***, a******, bitch.

243
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We don't say those words.
Only you're sayin' 'em.

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We're, we're gonna see if we can
have them donate the panties,

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and we can put them
on our microphones
so we can talk

246
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through them all night long.

247
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Little, little soiled
panties on the microphone.

248
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God, I love that.

249
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Whether you love him
or hate him,

250
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Bubba was one of the best
broadcasters of all time.

251
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But since joining The Power Pig
in the fall of '92,

252
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he's picked up more than that.

253
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His ratings
have been phenomenal,

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making him the most listened to
radio personality
in the Bay Area

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and the most controversial.

256
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You-- You're wearing,
you're wearing panties now,

257
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- but you'll take them off
for me?
- Yes.

258
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In observance
of No Panties Thursday?

259
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- Yes.
- Cool. Let's go.

260
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♪ Break it down
Break it down, break it down ♪

261
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The first panties of the evening
usually go on the head.

262
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Now, we'll go to the head first.

263
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Next ones go up on the...
Excellent.

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Damn, dawg, them are some
nice panties too. I ain't lying.

265
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His style,
between the gangsta rap
and the top 40 dance tunes,

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Bubba dishes out a steady diet
of raunch and outrageous humor,

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usually at his callers' expense.

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He, you know, was very edgy,
and he had a very good way

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about being edgy
and compelling at the same time.

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- Power Pig. Hello?
-  He's on trial
with furious parents

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like Lydia Duncan,
who no longer allows
her young teenage daughter

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- to listen to Bubba's show.
- He has no teenage kids,

273
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and I hope to God I'm around
to see him when he's got
a 14-year-old little girl

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that wants to do
some of the nasty stuff
that he has tried

275
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to talk these kids into
on the radio.

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He's on trial
with women's groups

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who say he's foul-mouthed
and sexist.

278
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Uh, he's got
a very destructive behavior.

279
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It's, um, it, it,
it's violence against women.

280
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And he, uh, tears at us,
at our dignity.

281
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And he's on trial
with the American...

282
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He is the... probably
one of the most talented

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radio guys
in the history of radio.

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He knows content.
He knows entertainment.

285
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He knows how to piss you
the frick off.

286
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He knows
how to make you feel good.

287
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He keeps you on your toes.

288
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You'll never get bored.
Never get bored.

289
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So, I met Mike Calta

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in, like, 1993, '94.

291
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I was doing nights
in The Power Pig,
and he was this, uh,

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promotional guy
that hung banners at, you know,
various remotes and things.

293
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And, uh, big kid,
bit hea-- big head.

294
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So, I, I brought in him
to, you know,

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just kind of be my schlep boy.

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And I called him "Cowhead." He--

297
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'Cause his
fucking head's ginormous.

298
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That kind of transition
into when Clear Channel,

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Clear-- iHeart,
Clear Channel, Jacor,

300
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when they bought 98Rock
and transferred me

301
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from night times
to morning drive,

302
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I brought
"Cowhead" Mike Calta with me

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to be a, a producer/co-host.
Quickly thereafter--

304
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That happened
in December of '96.

305
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And, and, uh--
oh, this is while we're--

306
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I'm doing, doing
mornings now at 98Rock.

307
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He's an executive producer.
He's, in my opinion,

308
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not doing the things
that I want him to do

309
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to prepare me for the show.

310
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And at this time,
uh, about 1999,

311
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I'd met Brent, uh,
who was, uh, doing promotions

312
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for the classic rock station
in our same building.

313
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I didn't have
the discipline to go to college,

314
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and I ended up going
to the Marine Corps in 1989.

315
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I served in the first Gulf War,
which was Desert Shield,

316
00:16:11,927 --> 00:16:13,929
and Desert Storm.
Came back to the United States.

317
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I was stationed
in Southern California.

318
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I started going to school
at night for pre-law.

319
00:16:20,849 --> 00:16:23,983
Howard Stern comes
on the radio in July 1991.

320
00:16:24,461 --> 00:16:26,202
The career, uh, planner
comes to me and says,

321
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"Hey, are you ready to re-enlist
in the Marine Corps?"

322
00:16:28,161 --> 00:16:29,989
I was like, "No,
I'm going to go do radio,

323
00:16:30,163 --> 00:16:31,729
and I'm gonna go get paid

324
00:16:31,903 --> 00:16:33,688
to look at hot chicks
and talk about sex."

325
00:16:33,862 --> 00:16:37,692
I come back home to Florida
in 1993, and everybody tells me,

326
00:16:37,866 --> 00:16:40,347
"You gotta listen to this guy,
Bubba the Love Sponge."

327
00:16:40,521 --> 00:16:42,218
I was like, "Man,
that fucking name sounds weird."

328
00:16:42,392 --> 00:16:45,439
$400 for 100 extra shots.

329
00:16:45,613 --> 00:16:47,615
$400.

330
00:16:47,789 --> 00:16:49,834
Fuck!

331
00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:52,272
They were like,
"No, he's nuts." I'm like,
"I'm a Howard Stern fan."

332
00:16:52,446 --> 00:16:54,317
Like, "How is he better
than Howard Stern?"

333
00:16:54,491 --> 00:16:56,711
- I turn him on.
-  It is really rude.

334
00:16:56,885 --> 00:16:58,800
And it's beating up
on people too.

335
00:16:58,974 --> 00:17:00,367
If you don't like what I do,
don't listen.

336
00:17:00,541 --> 00:17:01,803
But I like the music.

337
00:17:01,977 --> 00:17:03,892
Well, go buy some CDs.

338
00:17:04,066 --> 00:17:05,633
During the two weeks
we worked with him,

339
00:17:05,807 --> 00:17:07,983
he put in a host
of personal appearances,

340
00:17:08,157 --> 00:17:10,986
whacked off his mane of hair,
and nearly killed himself

341
00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,249
after heaving his 300-pound body

342
00:17:13,423 --> 00:17:15,773
out of an airplane
in a skydiving stunt.

343
00:17:15,947 --> 00:17:18,428
♪ I'm true to the game
It's the bottom line ♪

344
00:17:18,602 --> 00:17:21,518
♪ It's Bubba, bitch
And I'm out to get mine ♪

345
00:17:21,692 --> 00:17:23,346
And that's what Bubba does.
He gets ratings.

346
00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,044
And, and it's not--
I mean, we're,

347
00:17:25,218 --> 00:17:26,915
we're not here
to be a babysitter for--

348
00:17:27,089 --> 00:17:29,048
I mean, parents have
that responsibility.

349
00:17:29,222 --> 00:17:32,573
But I can't stop listening
'cause this guy
is shot out of a cannon.

350
00:17:32,747 --> 00:17:34,575
Out of control.

351
00:17:35,141 --> 00:17:37,491
Well, he was, he was working
for this guy named Ron Diaz.

352
00:17:37,665 --> 00:17:39,623
Ron Diaz is
this huge legend in town,

353
00:17:39,797 --> 00:17:43,149
and they decided to him on
in mornings, uh, on 103.5,

354
00:17:43,323 --> 00:17:45,673
and they asked Brent
to be his executive producer.

355
00:17:45,847 --> 00:17:48,763
But Ron played
a lot of music and stuff,
and it, it wasn't really

356
00:17:48,937 --> 00:17:52,114
a lot to do as an EP then.
But I had my eye on this kid.

357
00:17:52,288 --> 00:17:55,335
So, the vibe I got with Brent
was we just clicked better.

358
00:17:55,509 --> 00:17:59,034
It felt as if he might fit in
better on the show.

359
00:17:59,556 --> 00:18:01,558
Uh, so I went to Management

360
00:18:01,732 --> 00:18:03,038
and asked
if I could make a change.

361
00:18:03,212 --> 00:18:05,301
So, in April 2000,
I made that change.

362
00:18:05,475 --> 00:18:09,958
Uh, fi-- fired, uh, Mi--
Calta and hired Brent.

363
00:18:10,132 --> 00:18:12,743
So, I became the assistant
promotions director at 98Rock

364
00:18:12,917 --> 00:18:15,485
and started working my way up
in the radio business.

365
00:18:20,011 --> 00:18:22,231
Matt Loyd,
uh, joined Bubba

366
00:18:22,405 --> 00:18:24,277
as an intern
when he was 19 years old.

367
00:18:24,451 --> 00:18:26,279
My relationship with Spice Boy
started out

368
00:18:26,453 --> 00:18:29,282
as he, you know, was a drop--
a high school dropout.

369
00:18:29,456 --> 00:18:32,894
And I kind of saved him,
or the show kind of
saved him from being--

370
00:18:33,068 --> 00:18:35,462
I don't know, maybe giving him
some purpose in life or...

371
00:18:35,636 --> 00:18:38,117
I loved the kid.
I never had a problem with him.

372
00:18:38,291 --> 00:18:39,596
Never did I have
a problem with him.

373
00:18:39,770 --> 00:18:40,815
They called him Spice Boy

374
00:18:40,989 --> 00:18:42,469
'cause the Spice Girls were,

375
00:18:42,643 --> 00:18:44,558
were, uh, popular back then.

376
00:18:44,732 --> 00:18:47,561
And, um, he was
a really young-looking guy

377
00:18:47,735 --> 00:18:50,303
that a lot of the young girls
that liked the show liked him.

378
00:18:50,477 --> 00:18:54,133
So, he was called Spice Boy,
and he kind of filled that role

379
00:18:54,307 --> 00:18:56,222
of a good-looking idiot
on the show.

380
00:18:56,396 --> 00:18:58,702
And he's a guy
that would come in

381
00:18:58,876 --> 00:19:00,835
and basically do anything.

382
00:19:01,009 --> 00:19:03,403
Like, that's kinda how
he made his name on the air.

383
00:19:03,577 --> 00:19:06,449
He'd come-- Anything
Bubba needed him to do on air,
he would do it.

384
00:19:06,623 --> 00:19:10,192
You know, he would do stunts,
and he got his penis pierced.

385
00:19:10,366 --> 00:19:13,326
I mean, like, anything
he wanted to do. Bubba wanted
him to do, he would do it.

386
00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:15,763
And he was like
my little brother or my son.

387
00:19:15,937 --> 00:19:20,811
I have very many instances
of on the air
where Spice Boy admits

388
00:19:20,985 --> 00:19:24,250
that I was of-- a more
of a father-like figure
to him than his real father.

389
00:19:24,424 --> 00:19:27,253
He worked really hard
on the show. He really did,
and he put in a lot of hours.

390
00:19:27,427 --> 00:19:31,779
So, um, when-- Even when Cow--
He worked there when Cowhead

391
00:19:31,953 --> 00:19:35,609
was the executive producer.
And, and Calta was
the executive producer,

392
00:19:35,783 --> 00:19:39,047
but Spice would do the,
the majority of the work.

393
00:19:39,221 --> 00:19:42,224
I absolutely loved that guy.

394
00:19:49,666 --> 00:19:54,280
In April 2000,
I joined Bubba's show full time
as a full-time show member.

395
00:19:54,454 --> 00:19:59,459
Bubba is amazing
when it comes to finding talent,

396
00:19:59,633 --> 00:20:03,332
and if they,
they don't have the chops,
he is able to teach them

397
00:20:03,506 --> 00:20:07,162
and, and get them to that point
where they can be professionals.

398
00:20:07,336 --> 00:20:09,077
Everybody at the radio station
becomes a character

399
00:20:09,251 --> 00:20:11,427
on theBubba Show.
The salespeople.

400
00:20:11,601 --> 00:20:14,256
I make stars out of people
right off the street.

401
00:20:14,430 --> 00:20:18,347
Brent, Manson,
you know, 25, Spice Boy.

402
00:20:18,521 --> 00:20:21,611
I absolutely love it here.
I mean, this has gotta be
the best show to work for.

403
00:20:21,785 --> 00:20:25,006
- We always have the sex...
-  The limits were
never established with us.

404
00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:30,533
You know, in fact, you know,
Bubba really was doing
crazy stunts like Jackass.

405
00:20:30,707 --> 00:20:32,361
Well, in front ofJackass.

406
00:20:32,535 --> 00:20:34,929
Jackass, you know,
started in 2000,

407
00:20:35,103 --> 00:20:38,672
and Bubba was doing
those crazy antics in the '90s.

408
00:20:38,846 --> 00:20:40,891
And the same thing
with Girls Gone Wild.

409
00:20:41,065 --> 00:20:44,895
Girls Gone Wild
didn't really become popular
until the late '90s.

410
00:20:45,069 --> 00:20:47,071
Bubba was doing
No Panties Thursdays

411
00:20:47,246 --> 00:20:49,552
and, you know,
12 Boobs of Christmas,

412
00:20:49,726 --> 00:20:53,469
and all these crazy, you know,
Girls Gone Wildtype antics.

413
00:20:53,643 --> 00:20:57,386
So, you know,
Bubba was Girls Gone Wild
before Girls Gone Wild

414
00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,084
and he was Jackass
before Jackass.

415
00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:02,652
The ratings would
come out and I'd be like,

416
00:21:02,826 --> 00:21:05,568
"Am I number one?"
They're like, "Listen,
until you hear from us,

417
00:21:05,742 --> 00:21:08,354
you're, you're number one,
so don't fucking worry about it.

418
00:21:08,528 --> 00:21:09,703
In fact, turn it up."

419
00:21:14,708 --> 00:21:16,449
All right, here it is.

420
00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:19,452
Let go. Let go, now.
Let go, now.

421
00:21:19,626 --> 00:21:20,496
Now. Let go.

422
00:21:25,501 --> 00:21:27,198
Oh!

423
00:21:32,073 --> 00:21:34,031
After, after you do time
in jail, you're--

424
00:21:34,205 --> 00:21:36,512
- Fuck out of my--
-  ...asshole.

425
00:21:41,125 --> 00:21:42,736
Oh, it's on! It's on!

426
00:21:42,910 --> 00:21:44,564
Oh! Whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!

427
00:21:48,742 --> 00:21:51,788
♪ I ain't got much
But that's the way it goes
I'm a failure ♪

428
00:21:51,962 --> 00:21:55,488
♪ Yeah, maybe
So I just live my life now
You call it a trend ♪

429
00:21:55,662 --> 00:21:57,490
♪ But I'ma stay this way
Till the very end ♪

430
00:21:57,664 --> 00:21:59,883
♪ White trash
That'd be the life for me ♪

431
00:22:00,057 --> 00:22:02,059
♪ White trash
That's all I'll ever be ♪

432
00:22:02,233 --> 00:22:04,366
♪ White trash
That'd be the life for me ♪

433
00:22:04,540 --> 00:22:07,021
♪ White trash
That's all I'll ever be ♪

434
00:22:07,195 --> 00:22:09,284
- ♪ White trash ♪
- ♪ It's the white trasher
House party crasher ♪

435
00:22:09,458 --> 00:22:11,286
♪ Y'all don't wanna
Mess with me ♪

436
00:22:11,460 --> 00:22:13,723
♪ I'm pulling up to the party
On a gray ten speed ♪

437
00:22:13,897 --> 00:22:16,900
- ♪ Saying, "What up, dawg?
It's Big B"... ♪
- ♪ Oh-ooh ♪

438
00:22:17,074 --> 00:22:18,859
We were number one by far.

439
00:22:19,033 --> 00:22:21,470
We made it sound
like partying in Tampa

440
00:22:21,644 --> 00:22:23,733
was the fucking coolest thing
you could ever do.

441
00:22:23,907 --> 00:22:26,040
Like, Bubba owned
a nightclub in Ybor City,

442
00:22:26,214 --> 00:22:28,216
and we'd be hanging out there
on Saturday nights.

443
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:30,784
The community loved us.
The ratings reflected it.

444
00:22:30,958 --> 00:22:32,307
♪ White trash ♪

445
00:22:36,267 --> 00:22:37,791
He's out! He's out!

446
00:22:37,965 --> 00:22:40,924
He just banged
his head on the ground.

447
00:22:41,534 --> 00:22:44,014
And because of all that fun,

448
00:22:44,188 --> 00:22:46,582
when it came time to help
somebody in the community,

449
00:22:46,756 --> 00:22:48,367
when we said, "Hey, like,
this is a serious thing

450
00:22:48,541 --> 00:22:50,325
that we need to take seriously
in our community,"

451
00:22:50,499 --> 00:22:51,631
the fans got behind us.

452
00:22:51,805 --> 00:22:53,850
I had never, like, seen anybody

453
00:22:54,024 --> 00:22:56,810
do that type of, uh, fundraising

454
00:22:56,984 --> 00:22:59,378
that he did
for the fallen officers.

455
00:22:59,552 --> 00:23:01,989
I've had donations from
as far as the Netherlands,

456
00:23:02,163 --> 00:23:03,730
um, Anchorage, Alaska,

457
00:23:03,904 --> 00:23:06,646
all six of my Florida-based
terrestrial stations,

458
00:23:06,820 --> 00:23:10,171
and then, uh, my nationally
syndicated show on SiriusXM.

459
00:23:10,345 --> 00:23:12,739
Hundreds and hundreds of people
have come forward

460
00:23:12,913 --> 00:23:15,045
to help
during this tragic event.

461
00:23:15,219 --> 00:23:20,529
Sara Kocab and Kelly Curtis
received $26,500 each.

462
00:23:20,703 --> 00:23:23,097
Their smiles spoke volumes.

463
00:23:23,271 --> 00:23:26,883
Their hugs full of emotion
and appreciation.

464
00:23:27,057 --> 00:23:31,888
Bubba wanted
to always personally hand
that check to the widow.

465
00:23:32,062 --> 00:23:34,195
The Bubba Army
is really intense.

466
00:23:34,369 --> 00:23:36,066
It gets to be a bit much.

467
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,199
Whenever you went somewhere,
they would support you.

468
00:23:38,373 --> 00:23:40,810
Incredibly loyal.

469
00:23:40,984 --> 00:23:43,422
He's been such a force
in this area,

470
00:23:43,596 --> 00:23:45,162
not only in radio,
but across the board

471
00:23:45,336 --> 00:23:47,991
as far as charity work
and things he's done here.

472
00:23:48,165 --> 00:23:50,298
Bubba is such a nice,
gregarious type of guy.

473
00:23:50,472 --> 00:23:52,474
Like, he would have fans
to his house.

474
00:23:52,996 --> 00:23:56,826
You know, I always wa--
was trying to think
of that little guy

475
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,221
from Indiana, the common guy,
and I give him a voice

476
00:24:00,395 --> 00:24:03,529
or stick up for him
because nobody sticks up
for them.

477
00:24:03,703 --> 00:24:05,835
I've always been labeled
the People's Hammer.

478
00:24:06,009 --> 00:24:08,664
I got this idea from a sheriff,
and he would go

479
00:24:08,838 --> 00:24:14,191
and put these signs in these
bad guys' lawns during Halloween

480
00:24:14,365 --> 00:24:16,455
so that the kids wouldn't
go trick or treat there.

481
00:24:16,629 --> 00:24:18,326
- You want to do something?
- What gives you
the fucking right? Huh?

482
00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:20,197
You know why?
Because you touch kids, buddy.

483
00:24:20,371 --> 00:24:22,939
I probably do stuff like that

484
00:24:23,113 --> 00:24:24,985
that the average guy doesn't do,

485
00:24:25,159 --> 00:24:27,291
but the average guy
wishes he could do.

486
00:24:28,205 --> 00:24:32,209
Bubba is very sensitive
and respects the law.

487
00:24:32,383 --> 00:24:33,820
Respects truth.

488
00:24:34,429 --> 00:24:36,039
Uh, when he's on to something,

489
00:24:36,213 --> 00:24:39,347
he's not going to, to,
to give you a song and dance.

490
00:24:39,521 --> 00:24:41,001
He's not gonna give you
a bullshit story.

491
00:24:41,175 --> 00:24:42,916
Sometimes you don't wanna
hear the truth.

492
00:24:43,090 --> 00:24:44,874
The truth hurts sometimes.

493
00:24:45,048 --> 00:24:48,269
But doing that type of fight
for information

494
00:24:48,443 --> 00:24:50,053
and for the people
and for public knowledge,

495
00:24:50,227 --> 00:24:52,316
and to tell the truth,
what more do you want?

496
00:24:56,016 --> 00:25:00,368
He would often make the thing
that he asked the Army

497
00:25:00,542 --> 00:25:02,283
to get engaged in or look at,

498
00:25:02,457 --> 00:25:04,807
number one or number two
on Google search.

499
00:25:04,981 --> 00:25:08,245
It really was
amazing at the time,

500
00:25:08,419 --> 00:25:09,682
the power and the reach

501
00:25:09,856 --> 00:25:11,597
that Bubba had
with the Bubba Army.

502
00:25:12,467 --> 00:25:14,948
Bubba was constantly
getting in trouble.

503
00:25:15,122 --> 00:25:17,907
The biggest antagonist
in Bubba's life

504
00:25:18,081 --> 00:25:20,083
is, uh, Bubba himself.

505
00:25:20,257 --> 00:25:22,912
He sometimes didn't think
law applied to him.

506
00:25:23,086 --> 00:25:26,133
Bubba admits to being fired
from four radio stations

507
00:25:26,307 --> 00:25:28,396
for outrageous behavior.

508
00:25:29,266 --> 00:25:30,877
People are very love him
or hate him,

509
00:25:31,051 --> 00:25:33,270
and it's very
an intense emotion.

510
00:25:33,444 --> 00:25:35,011
Oh, Okay.

511
00:25:35,185 --> 00:25:37,100
Give me that tape.
Give me that tape!

512
00:25:37,274 --> 00:25:40,277
At his heart,
he's a toxic personality.

513
00:25:40,451 --> 00:25:43,977
And a lot of that stuff would
come out in the radio bits
that he would do,

514
00:25:44,151 --> 00:25:47,415
and it would
encourage and validate

515
00:25:47,589 --> 00:25:50,418
that kind of behavior
for his fans and his listeners.

516
00:25:50,592 --> 00:25:53,247
He gets involved in things
that he shouldn't
get involved in.

517
00:25:53,421 --> 00:25:55,292
He was never afraid
to pick fights

518
00:25:55,466 --> 00:25:58,774
with local politicians,
with local people in power.

519
00:25:58,948 --> 00:26:01,429
Mark Ober, the state attorney
at the time,

520
00:26:01,603 --> 00:26:05,041
had a real hard-on
for, for Bubba.

521
00:26:05,215 --> 00:26:06,565
He, he just hated him.

522
00:26:06,739 --> 00:26:08,436
Bubba had provoked him
by challenging him

523
00:26:08,610 --> 00:26:10,177
on, on various cases

524
00:26:10,351 --> 00:26:12,919
that he was prosecuting
or not prosecuting,

525
00:26:13,093 --> 00:26:14,485
and made fun of him.

526
00:26:15,051 --> 00:26:16,575
He went after Bubba hard.

527
00:26:19,055 --> 00:26:22,058
I am really the only guy
in Tampa over the years

528
00:26:22,232 --> 00:26:23,756
that would hold
any, uh, politician

529
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:25,279
or anybody accountable.

530
00:26:27,542 --> 00:26:29,718
He had no fear
challenging power,

531
00:26:29,892 --> 00:26:31,328
and he challenged Mark Ober.

532
00:26:31,502 --> 00:26:34,157
And Mark Ober made it
his personal mission

533
00:26:34,331 --> 00:26:36,769
to destroy Bubba
and anyone in his circle.

534
00:26:36,943 --> 00:26:40,250
Most of the damage that he did
on the decisions that he made,

535
00:26:40,424 --> 00:26:42,252
it affected him the most.

536
00:26:42,905 --> 00:26:44,864
If you go back
to the history of time...

537
00:26:45,386 --> 00:26:48,258
And I don't care if we're going
back to Pontius Pilate,

538
00:26:48,432 --> 00:26:51,044
I don't care if we go back
to Elizabeth in England.

539
00:26:51,218 --> 00:26:56,353
Any time you're in a position
that's not in power...

540
00:26:57,441 --> 00:27:01,271
...you run the risk--
when you start
shooting at the king,

541
00:27:01,445 --> 00:27:02,533
you better kill him.

542
00:27:12,413 --> 00:27:14,807
So, he thought it would be
funny, and I, I agree,

543
00:27:14,981 --> 00:27:17,418
to have people
scrape up roadkill.

544
00:27:17,592 --> 00:27:20,203
And bring them in,
and we were gonna,
you know, barbecue them up

545
00:27:20,377 --> 00:27:22,031
- and make people eat 'em.
-  And,
and put it on the grill,

546
00:27:22,205 --> 00:27:24,294
and we'll give you
Marilyn Manson tickets.

547
00:27:24,468 --> 00:27:27,297
It was a segment known
as The Roadkill Barbecue.

548
00:27:27,471 --> 00:27:30,126
A listener brought the pig
to the radio station
parking lot.

549
00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:34,087
It was held down, castrated,
and then its throat was slit.

550
00:27:34,261 --> 00:27:36,263
Animal rights activists
are outraged.

551
00:27:36,437 --> 00:27:39,353
The "what the fuck" moments
with Bubba were often.

552
00:27:39,527 --> 00:27:42,008
He's just digging up
more things to argue about.

553
00:27:42,182 --> 00:27:43,879
I mean, if he's gonna
cause this much trouble,

554
00:27:44,053 --> 00:27:45,446
maybe he shouldn't
even be on the air.

555
00:27:45,620 --> 00:27:47,056
I cannot believe
that there are people out there

556
00:27:47,230 --> 00:27:49,450
who would actually
allow discussing

557
00:27:49,624 --> 00:27:51,757
things like this
being aired on the radio.

558
00:27:51,931 --> 00:27:54,368
You know, there are just
days you're like...

559
00:27:55,935 --> 00:28:00,026
"Why? Why?
Why would you do this?

560
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,115
Are you fucking stupid?"

561
00:28:02,289 --> 00:28:04,552
On my sound effects button bar,

562
00:28:04,726 --> 00:28:07,381
it's the sound effects
of pigs being fed.

563
00:28:07,555 --> 00:28:10,123
And they're mad as hell.
They're going, like...

564
00:28:10,297 --> 00:28:12,647
We were piping that in
as the hunter was gonna be

565
00:28:12,821 --> 00:28:14,649
like, "Okay,
we're gonna kill Andy."

566
00:28:14,823 --> 00:28:17,652
The hog bleeds out.
So, police officers show up.

567
00:28:17,826 --> 00:28:20,220
The sergeant
talks to me and says,
"Hey, what's going on here?"

568
00:28:20,394 --> 00:28:22,222
I, I tell him.
He's like, "Okay."

569
00:28:22,396 --> 00:28:24,398
He reads the statute,
I read it with him.

570
00:28:24,572 --> 00:28:26,574
He's like, "You're right.
There's no violation
of law here at all."

571
00:28:26,748 --> 00:28:29,403
"No problem, Officer. Got it.
In fact, how would you guys

572
00:28:29,577 --> 00:28:32,667
like to stay and have, uh, pork
sandwiches with us for lunch?"

573
00:28:32,841 --> 00:28:35,496
"That sounds amazing."
I get a call at home.

574
00:28:35,670 --> 00:28:37,759
"Listen, you got
to turn yourself in
by ten o'clock tonight

575
00:28:37,933 --> 00:28:40,414
at the Hillsborough
County Jail."
I'm like, "For what?"

576
00:28:40,893 --> 00:28:42,721
"Felony animal cruelty."

577
00:28:42,895 --> 00:28:44,200
We do the perp walk
into the building.

578
00:28:44,374 --> 00:28:46,115
We go, go there
at seven o'clock.

579
00:28:46,289 --> 00:28:47,769
It looks like the OJ trial.

580
00:28:47,943 --> 00:28:49,205
I'm like, "Oh, God,
look at all this."

581
00:28:49,379 --> 00:28:50,946
Media got there at 6:15.

582
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,426
The reason
we had to be there by ten

583
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,036
was so the eleven o'clock news

584
00:28:54,210 --> 00:28:55,908
would have the pictures of us
going to jail.

585
00:28:56,082 --> 00:28:58,258
And that's what
Mr. Ober intended.

586
00:28:58,432 --> 00:29:00,042
When it went
across Mark Ober's office,

587
00:29:00,216 --> 00:29:01,957
he decided to prosecute me.

588
00:29:02,131 --> 00:29:04,133
I was, in my mind, thinking,

589
00:29:04,307 --> 00:29:07,484
"My son's not gonna go
to prison over a pig."

590
00:29:07,658 --> 00:29:11,053
The State of Florida came
to Clear Channel and said,

591
00:29:11,227 --> 00:29:13,795
"If you fire Bubba,
this all goes away."

592
00:29:13,969 --> 00:29:15,449
I sat in that room

593
00:29:15,623 --> 00:29:17,451
and Mark Ober said,

594
00:29:17,625 --> 00:29:19,192
"Fire Bubba,

595
00:29:19,366 --> 00:29:21,150
or I'm coming
after you guys criminally."

596
00:29:21,324 --> 00:29:23,718
He and I sat alone together,

597
00:29:23,892 --> 00:29:26,503
um, holding hands, and he said,

598
00:29:27,113 --> 00:29:30,420
"If I lose, they're taking me
to jail today."

599
00:29:30,594 --> 00:29:33,510
I was sitting next to Bubba,
and he had a toothbrush
in his pocket,

600
00:29:33,684 --> 00:29:35,904
and he was prepared
to go to prison.

601
00:29:36,078 --> 00:29:38,646
The hunter came in and testified
and said that that pig

602
00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:42,345
was slaughtered exactly
the way you slaughter a pig.

603
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:45,392
So, the jury, while they're
served ham sandwiches,

604
00:29:45,566 --> 00:29:47,568
uh, over their deliberations,
and they come back

605
00:29:47,742 --> 00:29:49,265
and they find us not guilty.

606
00:29:49,439 --> 00:29:51,267
Uh, all four of us,
they find us not guilty.

607
00:29:51,441 --> 00:29:54,227
There have been
so many injustices towards him,

608
00:29:54,401 --> 00:29:57,447
um, that you could
make a movie out of.

609
00:29:57,621 --> 00:29:59,623
Uh, you know, the news media,
they interview Mr. Ober.

610
00:29:59,798 --> 00:30:01,712
He says,
"Oh, I'm not afraid of Bubba."

611
00:30:01,887 --> 00:30:04,150
I saw what power was trying
to do to this man.

612
00:30:04,324 --> 00:30:07,980
Bubba pointing out
faults and issues

613
00:30:08,154 --> 00:30:10,939
that he thought were real issues

614
00:30:11,113 --> 00:30:14,203
with facts
that people would listen to

615
00:30:14,377 --> 00:30:17,816
was terrible
for people like Mark Ober.
It was a spotlight.

616
00:30:18,381 --> 00:30:20,644
So, when Bubba was doing that,

617
00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:22,385
that's what made Bubba great.

618
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,867
You know, Bubba's ability
to be the hammer for the man,

619
00:30:26,041 --> 00:30:29,653
to be the guy that was gonna
hold people accountable.

620
00:30:29,828 --> 00:30:33,570
Bubba and I, to each other
and on the radio, was like,

621
00:30:33,744 --> 00:30:35,790
"I don't care if it takes us
to our last dying breath.

622
00:30:35,964 --> 00:30:38,358
We're gonna get this guy ousted,
out of office.

623
00:30:38,532 --> 00:30:40,142
We are going
to get him voted out."

624
00:30:47,628 --> 00:30:52,633
The FCC would impose
their largest ever indecency
fine against a broadcaster.

625
00:30:52,807 --> 00:30:57,812
And we got fined $755,000
for seven different things.

626
00:30:57,986 --> 00:31:00,423
Bubba the Love Sponge
cost his employer,

627
00:31:00,597 --> 00:31:05,211
Clear Channel Communications,
$755,000.

628
00:31:05,385 --> 00:31:08,344
That is the highest
FCC fine ever,

629
00:31:08,518 --> 00:31:11,695
following a radio sketch
featuring a couple
of cartoon characters,

630
00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:14,220
a crack house
and some prostitutes.

631
00:31:14,394 --> 00:31:16,526
Clear Channel
promptly fired Bubba.

632
00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:18,398
It was a big meltdown.

633
00:31:18,572 --> 00:31:22,532
Now, our agent, Tom Bean,
because we got fined first,

634
00:31:22,706 --> 00:31:24,099
was telling us, "Just listen.

635
00:31:24,273 --> 00:31:26,319
Everything's gonna calm down.
Just relax."

636
00:31:26,493 --> 00:31:28,147
There really wasn't
any due process.

637
00:31:28,321 --> 00:31:30,323
There really wasn't
any-- anything

638
00:31:30,497 --> 00:31:34,370
other than, uh,
Clear Channel laid down.

639
00:31:34,544 --> 00:31:37,504
Uh, said, "We did it,
and we'll get rid
of the problem."

640
00:31:37,678 --> 00:31:39,854
But then the Super Bowl
happened very shortly.

641
00:31:40,028 --> 00:31:41,987
I wanna say it was the week
after we got fined.

642
00:31:42,901 --> 00:31:45,077
The Super Bowl happened,
where Janet Jack-- Jackson

643
00:31:45,251 --> 00:31:47,253
and Justin Timberlake
do this whole performance,

644
00:31:47,427 --> 00:31:50,082
and, uh, Justin Timberlake
rips off her costume

645
00:31:50,256 --> 00:31:53,041
and you see her exposed breast

646
00:31:53,215 --> 00:31:55,261
for 150 million people
on the Super Bowl.

647
00:31:55,435 --> 00:31:57,306
And that was it, you know.
You know, that was the point

648
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,266
where, you know, our agent,
Tom Bean, was like, you know,

649
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,876
"You're kind of screwed now,"

650
00:32:02,050 --> 00:32:04,487
because the whole country
was upset.

651
00:32:05,140 --> 00:32:09,928
Nipplegate really cranked
the FCC up even more,

652
00:32:10,102 --> 00:32:13,496
and there was a big push
politically at the time

653
00:32:13,670 --> 00:32:17,022
for the FCC
to crack down on broadcasters,

654
00:32:17,196 --> 00:32:19,807
on indecency
in the public airwaves.

655
00:32:19,981 --> 00:32:22,723
This really shined
a much bigger spotlight

656
00:32:22,897 --> 00:32:26,596
onto Bubba's $750,000 fine.

657
00:32:26,770 --> 00:32:29,773
I'm a 30-- 38--
soon-to-be 38-year-old man

658
00:32:29,948 --> 00:32:33,255
that is an entertainer.
I, I do a adult-skewing,

659
00:32:33,429 --> 00:32:36,084
men-based show
for 20 hours a week,

660
00:32:36,258 --> 00:32:39,000
and I don't have the,
the luxury of having
the visual effect.

661
00:32:39,174 --> 00:32:41,785
So, I have an audio effect,
and some of it
is smoke and mirrors

662
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,223
and some of it is sound effects.
And, and sometimes

663
00:32:44,397 --> 00:32:47,748
there's a lot
of hyperbole and parody,
but it's not illegal.

664
00:32:47,922 --> 00:32:50,011
- Yeah.
- Nah, it shouldn't be
illegal in this country.

665
00:32:50,185 --> 00:32:52,144
Now, if it was rated X,
it's illegal.

666
00:32:52,318 --> 00:32:54,059
My show is nothing more
than rated R.

667
00:32:54,233 --> 00:32:55,712
You can go
to any rated R theater.

668
00:32:55,886 --> 00:32:57,714
You can go to any rate--
You can watch anything on--

669
00:32:57,888 --> 00:33:00,630
My show is Jackass
with a little bit of South Park.

670
00:33:00,804 --> 00:33:02,545
That's what my show is.

671
00:33:02,719 --> 00:33:06,549
In fact, the FCC was talking
about applying pressure

672
00:33:06,723 --> 00:33:10,814
to broadcasters
to meet the FCC guidelines,

673
00:33:10,989 --> 00:33:14,079
which, by the way,
are ridiculous.

674
00:33:14,253 --> 00:33:17,517
They're completely
uninterpretable.

675
00:33:18,083 --> 00:33:22,435
It's government guidelines that
talk about community standards

676
00:33:22,609 --> 00:33:25,351
that are open-ended
and ambiguous

677
00:33:25,525 --> 00:33:27,048
to try to understand.

678
00:33:27,222 --> 00:33:29,224
If you can understand

679
00:33:29,398 --> 00:33:32,401
what the FCC guidelines are,
let me know.

680
00:33:32,575 --> 00:33:35,361
'Cause I don't know anyone
that really understands

681
00:33:35,535 --> 00:33:37,580
what the FCC guidelines mean,

682
00:33:37,754 --> 00:33:39,017
including the FCC.

683
00:33:39,191 --> 00:33:40,322
It was surreal

684
00:33:40,496 --> 00:33:42,585
just watching the whole country

685
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:45,023
melt down over jokes
on the radio.

686
00:33:45,719 --> 00:33:49,940
I hope that subcommittee
will, um, understand

687
00:33:50,115 --> 00:33:53,553
that the Bubbas of the world
and the Howard Sterns
of the world

688
00:33:53,727 --> 00:33:56,904
are the exception
rather than the rule,

689
00:33:57,078 --> 00:34:00,777
and that, uh,
they will no longer have
a platform on our stations.

690
00:34:01,648 --> 00:34:04,042
As an industry leader,
I help...

691
00:34:04,216 --> 00:34:07,175
I hope to help lead the way
in cleaning up our airwaves.

692
00:34:07,349 --> 00:34:10,135
It was a, it was
a big snowball avalanche

693
00:34:10,309 --> 00:34:12,789
that just came down
out of s-- out of nowhere.

694
00:34:12,963 --> 00:34:16,402
And we went from,
you know, being the number one

695
00:34:16,576 --> 00:34:21,059
most listened to show in Tampa,
syndicated all throughout
America,

696
00:34:21,233 --> 00:34:23,539
to...  fired.

697
00:34:23,713 --> 00:34:25,454
Now we have a term for it.
"Canceled."

698
00:34:25,628 --> 00:34:28,675
Well, we were
the originals getting canceled.

699
00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:31,982
That was the original
cancel culture, was, uh,
canceling shock jocks

700
00:34:32,157 --> 00:34:33,984
saying bad words on the radio.

701
00:34:39,251 --> 00:34:41,253
It was bad for two years.
I mean, we were out of work.

702
00:34:41,427 --> 00:34:43,211
We were blacklisted
for two years.

703
00:34:43,385 --> 00:34:45,344
I was scared. I had a kid.

704
00:34:45,518 --> 00:34:47,215
I-- you know,
I just, I just had Tyler.

705
00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:48,390
He was two.

706
00:34:48,999 --> 00:34:51,263
I had-- was living a lifestyle.

707
00:34:51,437 --> 00:34:53,743
I live in a big house
and, you know,
living the lifestyle

708
00:34:53,917 --> 00:34:55,310
of making a lot of money.

709
00:34:55,789 --> 00:34:57,486
Because we got fined and fired,

710
00:34:57,660 --> 00:35:00,707
that made Howard Stern
pay close attention to us.

711
00:35:00,881 --> 00:35:03,013
Howard said,
"I'd like to meet you guys."

712
00:35:03,188 --> 00:35:05,015
He goes,
"We have a list of shows
that we want to work with

713
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:08,584
on this channel, and you're
the only name on that list."

714
00:35:08,758 --> 00:35:10,064
"Holy shit!"

715
00:35:10,238 --> 00:35:11,500
He called me at work

716
00:35:11,674 --> 00:35:13,894
and he said,
"Are you sitting down?"

717
00:35:14,068 --> 00:35:16,940
He said,
"I'm going to New York tomorrow

718
00:35:17,115 --> 00:35:18,551
to talk to Howard."

719
00:35:18,725 --> 00:35:20,727
And I said, "Wait. TheHoward?"

720
00:35:28,996 --> 00:35:30,867
Bubba joined Howard Stern
on satellite radio

721
00:35:31,041 --> 00:35:32,652
and built a national following.

722
00:35:32,826 --> 00:35:35,437
And it was just the Wild West.

723
00:35:35,611 --> 00:35:38,266
Howard, uh,
was the guy that decided

724
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,268
that he wanted Bubba
on the channels.

725
00:35:40,442 --> 00:35:42,052
Tom, does your daughter
really have kidney stones?

726
00:35:42,227 --> 00:35:43,619
Yes. She has kidney stones!

727
00:35:43,793 --> 00:35:45,969
Living by the rules of the FCC

728
00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:49,190
and then having
those restrictions lifted,

729
00:35:49,364 --> 00:35:51,540
it was like breathing fresh air.

730
00:35:52,019 --> 00:35:54,152
You were able to do things
that you never

731
00:35:54,326 --> 00:35:56,458
were able to do before.

732
00:35:56,632 --> 00:35:59,635
You know, we did some
very controversial stunts.

733
00:36:01,246 --> 00:36:02,769
Hardcore stunts.

734
00:36:02,943 --> 00:36:04,597
Get them out of my fucking dick!

735
00:36:04,771 --> 00:36:06,468
Shit hits the fan.

736
00:36:06,642 --> 00:36:08,296
Did you get shit,
did you get the shit on you?

737
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:09,863
Pubic hair burrito.

738
00:36:15,695 --> 00:36:19,829
We would put,
you know, 5000 fire ants
on a man's testicles.

739
00:36:20,003 --> 00:36:21,962
As soon as we get
an air seal tight,
put them up in there good.

740
00:36:22,136 --> 00:36:24,704
Slide them in there.

741
00:36:24,878 --> 00:36:27,750
So, it even sounded
that much crazier audibly,

742
00:36:27,924 --> 00:36:30,710
you know, when you would hear
a guy go...

743
00:36:30,884 --> 00:36:33,713
Motherfucker!

744
00:36:36,455 --> 00:36:37,978
We kind of even
took Howard's stunts

745
00:36:38,152 --> 00:36:40,676
to the next fuckery level.
And Howard would be like,

746
00:36:40,850 --> 00:36:43,375
"Bubba, man, you guys
are shot out of a cannon.

747
00:36:43,549 --> 00:36:45,594
I don't, I don't know
that I could even do that here."

748
00:36:45,768 --> 00:36:47,944
- Do you want women to listen?
- I was number one

749
00:36:48,118 --> 00:36:50,817
with persons 12 plus.
That encompasses women as well.

750
00:36:50,991 --> 00:36:52,645
Believe it or not, a lot
of women listen to my show.

751
00:36:52,819 --> 00:36:54,951
Not every woman is a--
you know, is June Cleaver.

752
00:36:55,125 --> 00:36:57,693
There's a lot of women out there
that act like you and I
off camera, Kathy.

753
00:36:57,867 --> 00:37:00,261
We were talking about nip-tuck,
you know. Come on.

754
00:37:09,401 --> 00:37:11,446
Um, Livestock was an annual,

755
00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:14,536
uh, outdoor rock festival
that we had at 98Rock.

756
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:16,408
Uh, and it was a huge,

757
00:37:16,582 --> 00:37:20,412
like, 300-acre-- acre field
in Zephyrhills, Florida.

758
00:37:20,586 --> 00:37:23,197
I was scheduled
to be at Livestock, and I had

759
00:37:23,371 --> 00:37:26,113
this woman who had requested
to do an interview.

760
00:37:26,287 --> 00:37:28,681
She did a local television show.

761
00:37:28,855 --> 00:37:30,509
Her name was Heather Cole.

762
00:37:30,683 --> 00:37:32,728
And, uh, I saw a picture of her.

763
00:37:32,902 --> 00:37:35,209
I was like,
"Wow, this bitch is hot."

764
00:37:35,731 --> 00:37:37,690
So, I forgot all about it.

765
00:37:37,864 --> 00:37:39,822
And I come rolling up at 4:00,

766
00:37:39,996 --> 00:37:43,173
and she's loading up
her equipment, mad as hell.

767
00:37:43,348 --> 00:37:46,046
She'd been out in this field
for three hours, waiting for me.

768
00:37:46,220 --> 00:37:48,483
You know, I saw her
and I'm like, "Holy shit.

769
00:37:48,657 --> 00:37:51,181
You should have been here
at 1:00, on time, you dipshit."

770
00:37:51,356 --> 00:37:54,228
So, we do the interview
and then we get done.

771
00:37:54,402 --> 00:37:55,925
And three doors down,

772
00:37:56,099 --> 00:37:58,058
they're getting ready
to go on stage.

773
00:37:58,232 --> 00:38:01,279
And so I asked her, I said,
"Hey, why don't you be my guest?

774
00:38:01,453 --> 00:38:03,237
And we watch
the concert together."

775
00:38:03,411 --> 00:38:04,369
And we did.

776
00:38:04,543 --> 00:38:06,371
We kind of started, you know,

777
00:38:06,545 --> 00:38:08,329
hanging out and hooking up,

778
00:38:08,503 --> 00:38:10,853
and, and I fell in love
with her.

779
00:38:11,767 --> 00:38:15,293
Baba proposed
to me under duress, maybe.

780
00:38:15,467 --> 00:38:18,383
I'd gotten this ring for her.
I had it for a while.

781
00:38:18,557 --> 00:38:21,037
I-- he had had the ring
for many, many months

782
00:38:21,211 --> 00:38:24,476
and showed it to me and
to his sister and to his mom.

783
00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:27,566
And pretty much anytime
someone came to the house,
he would show the ring to them.

784
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:29,263
Because it was
a pretty kick-ass ring.

785
00:38:29,437 --> 00:38:31,439
And I said, "Well, listen.
You need to ask me

786
00:38:31,613 --> 00:38:33,354
if you're gonna, you know,
take this out

787
00:38:33,528 --> 00:38:35,225
and show it eve-- to everybody."

788
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,359
One day I got up, and I was
in my underwear.

789
00:38:38,533 --> 00:38:40,274
She was getting ready,
getting her makeup on.

790
00:38:40,448 --> 00:38:43,146
I just walked up and said,
"Hey, will you marry me?"

791
00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:44,844
And I said yes.

792
00:38:46,715 --> 00:38:48,587
TheBubba the Love Sponge Show.

793
00:38:48,761 --> 00:38:52,068
Are you ready to shock
your mornings back to life?

794
00:38:53,287 --> 00:38:55,245
Hey, yo, Bubba Army. What's up?

795
00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:58,205
The original OG member
from the Army right here.

796
00:38:58,379 --> 00:39:00,599
Hulk Hogan,
the greatest of all times

797
00:39:00,773 --> 00:39:03,950
want to welcome you
to the greatest show
of all times.

798
00:39:04,124 --> 00:39:06,474
You know, I started
to meet celebrities
in The Power Pig days.

799
00:39:06,648 --> 00:39:08,824
We're here at East Bay.
Just got here.
And my best friend

800
00:39:08,998 --> 00:39:10,957
in the whole wide world,
Hollywood, Hulk Hogan.
Check some...

801
00:39:11,131 --> 00:39:14,134
Hulk Hogan
and Bubba's friendship

802
00:39:14,308 --> 00:39:15,570
was front and center.

803
00:39:15,744 --> 00:39:16,963
They were best friends.

804
00:39:17,137 --> 00:39:19,487
You know, they were super close.

805
00:39:19,661 --> 00:39:22,838
You know, they confided
in each other, you know,

806
00:39:23,012 --> 00:39:25,363
things that only
best friends do.

807
00:39:25,885 --> 00:39:27,756
They were as close
as friends could be.

808
00:39:27,930 --> 00:39:30,672
- Come here, bro.
- There's a maniac.
Come on, give me some.

809
00:39:30,846 --> 00:39:33,153
- Let's get some axle grease
on that mohawk, brother.
-  All right.

810
00:39:33,327 --> 00:39:35,677
He was really nice
to all of us.
Like, he was a good guy.

811
00:39:35,851 --> 00:39:38,158
Like, told me stories
about Andre the Giant.

812
00:39:38,332 --> 00:39:40,595
Affectionately,
we called him Hootie. Like,
we had a nickname for him.

813
00:39:40,769 --> 00:39:43,119
Like, we hung out with him
all the time.

814
00:39:43,293 --> 00:39:45,687
Check some air pressure.
- Dizzy knows more about cars

815
00:39:45,861 --> 00:39:47,559
than most of the drivers.

816
00:39:47,733 --> 00:39:49,343
I would get off the air
at ten o'clock.

817
00:39:49,517 --> 00:39:51,998
I'd be at his house by 10:30.
We'd work out.

818
00:39:52,172 --> 00:39:54,217
We'd ride motorcycles,
we'd ride jet skis.

819
00:39:54,392 --> 00:39:55,436
I mean, we were inseparable.

820
00:39:55,610 --> 00:39:57,917
Well, I, I think,
at one juncture,

821
00:39:58,091 --> 00:40:00,572
you, you know, I joked with him,
uh, you know, that, you know,

822
00:40:00,746 --> 00:40:02,400
were they gay for each other?

823
00:40:02,574 --> 00:40:04,576
It was, uh, kind of funny.

824
00:40:04,750 --> 00:40:08,275
Uh, Hogan, uh, is, is
the godfather of my son, Tyler.

825
00:40:08,449 --> 00:40:11,757
Terry and I had a-- always
a 24/7 tether into each other.

826
00:40:11,931 --> 00:40:14,716
His phone call
never went unanswered,
and neither did mine.

827
00:40:14,890 --> 00:40:18,851
We were so relaxed around him
because of Bubba's friendship

828
00:40:19,025 --> 00:40:20,722
that you would lose sight

829
00:40:20,896 --> 00:40:23,159
that this guy is one of the most
famous people in the world.

830
00:40:24,422 --> 00:40:27,425
Hogan's a very smart guy,
and he knows how to work.

831
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:29,557
And he's like,
"Hold on. Here's a radio guy

832
00:40:29,731 --> 00:40:31,646
that seems pretty cool,
that's over."

833
00:40:31,820 --> 00:40:34,736
Meaning, "very popular
in my town that, uh,

834
00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:37,217
that we can make
one hell of a dynamic duo."

835
00:40:37,391 --> 00:40:39,393
And we did, man.
We ran this town.

836
00:40:47,227 --> 00:40:50,012
My wedding, I actually had
people come up to me and said,

837
00:40:50,186 --> 00:40:52,754
"Man, that wedding
was just so fucking cool."

838
00:40:52,928 --> 00:40:54,582
And there's celebrities
that were there.

839
00:40:54,756 --> 00:40:55,975
Just the overall vibe.

840
00:40:56,149 --> 00:40:57,542
Our kids were involved.

841
00:40:57,716 --> 00:40:59,369
You know, I had Howard Stern,

842
00:40:59,544 --> 00:41:02,677
Hulk Hogan, Robin, and Fred,

843
00:41:02,851 --> 00:41:04,984
and Kerry, and Artie.

844
00:41:05,158 --> 00:41:07,508
For Heather and Bubba!

845
00:41:12,644 --> 00:41:15,821
Honest to God, deep down,
I'm so happy for you guys.

846
00:41:15,995 --> 00:41:19,477
And, uh...
this is one of the coolest
experiences of my life,

847
00:41:19,651 --> 00:41:21,827
and, uh, and I'm, I'm happy
to be a part of it
with you guys.

848
00:41:22,001 --> 00:41:25,787
- So, congratulations.
- To the bride and groom,
thank you for having us.

849
00:41:25,961 --> 00:41:29,399
And I want to wanna say
that the bride is way too hot
for the groom.

850
00:41:29,574 --> 00:41:33,316
And it was clear
that the minister
wanted to bang the bride,

851
00:41:33,491 --> 00:41:35,623
but we'll overlook that.
That was a little creepy.

852
00:41:35,797 --> 00:41:37,277
It was a fantastic wedding.

853
00:41:37,451 --> 00:41:41,281
And, uh, Hulk Hogan
should take off his durag.

854
00:41:41,455 --> 00:41:42,935
It's a little inappropriate.

855
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:46,504
And so it was just
such a very special moment.

856
00:41:47,156 --> 00:41:50,638
And this is
my best friend in the world...

857
00:41:50,812 --> 00:41:52,684
...no matter what
Brian Knobbs says.

858
00:41:53,423 --> 00:41:55,382
Uh, when I first met Bubba,
I hated his guts

859
00:41:55,556 --> 00:41:57,297
because he was on The Power Pig.

860
00:41:57,471 --> 00:41:59,168
He was saying
all these dirty words

861
00:41:59,342 --> 00:42:01,301
and all these derogatory things
in the Tampa Bay area

862
00:42:01,475 --> 00:42:04,391
that all of us rednecks
from South Tampa
had never heard before.

863
00:42:04,565 --> 00:42:07,133
But then I met the guy,
and I realized that, you know,

864
00:42:07,307 --> 00:42:10,310
he was a great person,
and nothing like
the radio personality.

865
00:42:10,484 --> 00:42:13,443
We became very good friends,
and he's one of the only people
in this world

866
00:42:13,618 --> 00:42:15,228
that I trust with my children.

867
00:42:15,402 --> 00:42:16,751
To the greatest couple
in the world,

868
00:42:16,925 --> 00:42:18,884
Bubba and Heather,
we give you our love.

869
00:42:19,058 --> 00:42:21,321
We love you to death.
If there's anything
you ever need,

870
00:42:21,495 --> 00:42:22,757
you know who to call, brother.

871
00:42:23,366 --> 00:42:26,108
Toast to Bubba and Heather.

872
00:42:33,725 --> 00:42:35,204
Hogan. Hogan, Hogan. No, no.

873
00:42:35,378 --> 00:42:37,555
You know
that's a problem around here.

874
00:42:37,729 --> 00:42:39,731
People won't tell you
what you really need to hear.

875
00:42:39,905 --> 00:42:42,560
"Oh, Hulk Hogan, whatever
you want. Whatever you--"
Bischoff. Everybody.

876
00:42:42,734 --> 00:42:44,953
I'm gonna tell you right now.
You were the best man
at my wedding.

877
00:42:45,127 --> 00:42:46,868
You're the godfather of my son.

878
00:42:47,042 --> 00:42:48,435
I've been in the surgery rooms
for you.

879
00:42:48,609 --> 00:42:50,176
I've watched them
put knees in you.

880
00:42:50,350 --> 00:42:51,873
You can't even get out
of your chair half the time...

881
00:42:52,047 --> 00:42:53,571
I always had a really--

882
00:42:53,745 --> 00:42:55,529
a great experience with Terry.

883
00:42:55,703 --> 00:42:58,750
He was like a big brother.
Uh, a brother.

884
00:42:58,924 --> 00:43:01,491
I mean, Bubba was now
getting a national audience

885
00:43:01,666 --> 00:43:03,276
and was, was with Howard,

886
00:43:03,450 --> 00:43:06,801
and it definitely was
more of a, a one-way friendship

887
00:43:06,975 --> 00:43:09,935
in the sense
that there were often times
it wasThe Hogan Show,

888
00:43:10,109 --> 00:43:11,545
not theBubba
the Love Sponge Show.

889
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,549
Hogan cal-- starts
calling the show every day,

890
00:43:15,723 --> 00:43:17,551
sometimes two or three times
a day, to the point

891
00:43:17,725 --> 00:43:19,597
where it's, like,
starting to get to be bad radio.

892
00:43:19,771 --> 00:43:20,641
Mm-hmm.

893
00:43:32,435 --> 00:43:35,482
Okay. Yo, this is Hulk Hogan,
the greatest of all times,

894
00:43:35,656 --> 00:43:37,702
in my little,
teeny-teeny-weeny--

895
00:43:37,876 --> 00:43:41,140
Brooke Teeny is doing
the baddest mixtape around

896
00:43:41,314 --> 00:43:44,360
from the 305 to the 954.

897
00:43:44,534 --> 00:43:47,146
I'm gonna come down
and bitch-slap Spice and Brett
when I come in.

898
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,714
Bubba gave him
carte blanche.

899
00:43:49,888 --> 00:43:52,325
I mean, he could do
whatever he wanted on that show.

900
00:43:52,499 --> 00:43:54,762
- He could call in
whenever he wanted.
-  His daughter--

901
00:43:54,936 --> 00:43:57,417
He was trying to get Brooke's
music career off the ground.

902
00:43:57,591 --> 00:43:59,811
When they called,
called that number
and all the boats came in

903
00:43:59,985 --> 00:44:02,552
and the people
from VH1 freaked out
because, uh, her video

904
00:44:02,727 --> 00:44:04,903
went to number four,
which is crazy.
I mean, it's like

905
00:44:05,077 --> 00:44:06,731
the Bubba Army,
they're so powerful.

906
00:44:06,905 --> 00:44:08,123
It's crazy.

907
00:44:08,297 --> 00:44:10,169
Bubba, you know, got on the air,

908
00:44:10,343 --> 00:44:12,519
talked about it,
drove people to drive

909
00:44:12,693 --> 00:44:15,261
to watch that video,
and it went to number four.

910
00:44:15,435 --> 00:44:19,526
I think it was
a mutual relationship, you know,

911
00:44:19,700 --> 00:44:22,572
and, and beneficial
to both of them
for the most part

912
00:44:22,747 --> 00:44:25,053
until it wasn't beneficial
for Hogan.

913
00:44:25,227 --> 00:44:28,187
You know, Hogan, you know,
like anybody else-- you know,

914
00:44:28,361 --> 00:44:31,843
the most important person
to him was, was Hogan.

915
00:44:32,017 --> 00:44:33,932
And that's not
necessarily a bad thing.

916
00:44:34,106 --> 00:44:37,065
Maybe Bubba sometimes
could have learned
a little bit of that

917
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,547
and made, you know, himself
the most important person
than other people.

918
00:44:40,721 --> 00:44:42,767
Sometimes it would've
been better for him.

919
00:44:42,941 --> 00:44:46,248
But, you know,
Terry, uh, was true to himself.

920
00:44:46,422 --> 00:44:49,556
Hi. Come on in.
Welcome to our house.

921
00:44:49,730 --> 00:44:54,866
Heather Clem,
she was so into Bubba and was

922
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,435
so on board with his lifestyle,
which was not normal.

923
00:44:59,609 --> 00:45:01,786
We were all on board,
and we were--

924
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,918
You know, if, if Bubba
loves her, we love her.

925
00:45:09,663 --> 00:45:11,491
Okay, you're gonna follow me
to the laundry room

926
00:45:11,665 --> 00:45:13,406
because I'm Cinderella
at this house,

927
00:45:13,580 --> 00:45:16,104
and I do all, like,
the cleaning, and the laundry,

928
00:45:16,278 --> 00:45:17,627
and the cooking,
and all that stuff.

929
00:45:17,802 --> 00:45:19,629
That's usually
what I do on Saturdays.

930
00:45:19,804 --> 00:45:22,023
So, come on. You can watch me
fold some laundry.

931
00:45:22,197 --> 00:45:24,852
I had no beef
at all with Heather

932
00:45:25,026 --> 00:45:26,724
until what happened happened.

933
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:30,945
So, Bubba had a video
security system in his house,

934
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:34,775
inside and out,
obviously for security
purposes, number one.

935
00:45:34,949 --> 00:45:38,126
Because being somebody that's
highly polarizing like that,

936
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:41,086
you've got to really have your
security systems tightened up.

937
00:45:41,260 --> 00:45:43,001
Somebody said that they
were touched inappropriately

938
00:45:43,175 --> 00:45:46,526
or anything like that happened,
he would have a videotape of it.

939
00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:48,876
Um, and Bubba
was very proud of that.

940
00:45:49,050 --> 00:45:51,400
Anybody that came to his house,
whether it was Hulk Hogan,
or Tony Stewart,

941
00:45:51,574 --> 00:45:54,403
or whoever came to his house,
he'd walk them around the house

942
00:45:54,577 --> 00:45:56,666
and go,
"There's cameras here,
there's cameras here.

943
00:45:56,841 --> 00:45:58,538
I got a control room here.
Check this out.
Look at this control room.

944
00:45:58,712 --> 00:45:59,974
You can see outside.
Blah, blah, blah."

945
00:46:00,148 --> 00:46:01,454
Like,
he would show you.

946
00:46:01,628 --> 00:46:02,977
I had seen articles

947
00:46:03,151 --> 00:46:05,197
over the years where, you know,

948
00:46:05,371 --> 00:46:08,896
popular person A
has consensual sex

949
00:46:09,070 --> 00:46:11,333
or, what, hangs out
with somebody.

950
00:46:11,507 --> 00:46:14,293
And next thing you know,
because there was
no documentation

951
00:46:14,467 --> 00:46:17,296
or no surveillance,
or it was their word
versus their word,

952
00:46:17,470 --> 00:46:20,778
and, uh, I wasn't going
to be caught in a trick bag

953
00:46:20,952 --> 00:46:24,303
where I didn't have some type
of surveillance or proof,

954
00:46:24,477 --> 00:46:28,481
that I didn't do something,
you know, very wrong.

955
00:46:28,655 --> 00:46:30,265
Like, because I was a bachelor,

956
00:46:30,439 --> 00:46:32,877
you know,
living a rock star-type life,

957
00:46:33,051 --> 00:46:36,010
uh, I installed
a surveillance system.

958
00:46:36,184 --> 00:46:38,099
Early on in representing Bubba

959
00:46:38,273 --> 00:46:40,536
and getting
into his inner circle,

960
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:44,149
I realized that
it was wrought with dangers.

961
00:46:44,323 --> 00:46:46,978
Uh, there were
death threats against Bubba.

962
00:46:47,152 --> 00:46:49,763
I never felt like
I needed cameras in my life.

963
00:46:49,937 --> 00:46:52,026
I never felt like I needed
a gate around my house.

964
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:53,854
I, I just never felt that.

965
00:46:54,028 --> 00:46:56,857
Until I started
working with and for Bubba.

966
00:47:00,643 --> 00:47:04,691
Iconic pro wrestler Hulk Hogan
and his now ex-wife Linda

967
00:47:04,865 --> 00:47:09,696
appeared to be totally
in love on their VH1
reality showHogan Knows Best.

968
00:47:09,870 --> 00:47:12,481
But they ultimately split
in 2007,

969
00:47:12,655 --> 00:47:15,180
which resulted
in a bitter divorce battle.

970
00:47:20,663 --> 00:47:22,404
You agree with me
that Linda's entitled

971
00:47:22,578 --> 00:47:25,277
to 50% of the marital assets,
don't you?

972
00:47:25,451 --> 00:47:29,150
I'm not a lawyer,
and I'm not gonna make any...

973
00:47:29,324 --> 00:47:31,196
Well, then, how can you say
she's a money-grabbing bitch

974
00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:32,545
if you don't know the law?

975
00:47:33,285 --> 00:47:35,765
Well, I have seen
what she's asking for.

976
00:47:35,940 --> 00:47:37,811
I've, I've seen
what her expenses are.

977
00:47:37,985 --> 00:47:41,162
And somebody who spends
$7000 a month on clothes,

978
00:47:41,336 --> 00:47:44,774
and somebody who, uh,
spends the kind of money
that she spends,

979
00:47:44,949 --> 00:47:47,429
which is reported
in the newspaper,
that I was privy to

980
00:47:47,603 --> 00:47:50,650
and everybody else, um,
that was just mind-boggling,

981
00:47:50,824 --> 00:47:54,001
for the things
that she thinks that, uh,
she should have to live on.

982
00:47:54,175 --> 00:47:56,612
I'm, I'm over this crap, bro.
-  Man, I cannot believe

983
00:47:56,786 --> 00:47:58,701
- how she could--
-  I am not, I am not
the bad guy in this situation.

984
00:47:58,876 --> 00:48:00,268
I am over it.

985
00:48:00,442 --> 00:48:03,228
Hogan's going through a divorce,
and he was broke.

986
00:48:03,402 --> 00:48:06,361
His body was broken.
His heart was broken.

987
00:48:06,535 --> 00:48:07,754
I'm trying to work
to pay the bills

988
00:48:07,928 --> 00:48:09,451
for all these 19 million lawyers

989
00:48:09,625 --> 00:48:11,976
and all this crap
that's going on, and, you know,

990
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:14,848
it's almost like they're trying
to derail me, so I can't work.
I'm over it.

991
00:48:15,022 --> 00:48:16,937
When Terry was
going through his divorce,

992
00:48:17,111 --> 00:48:20,375
it was just probably
the darkest time for him.

993
00:48:20,854 --> 00:48:26,207
Um, I know that
he had talked to Laila Al-- Ali
once with a gun in his hand.

994
00:48:26,381 --> 00:48:29,254
Uh, a gun that I,
oddly enough, bought him
as-- for a birthday present.

995
00:48:29,428 --> 00:48:33,693
But he was just in a really,
really dark, dark, dark space.

996
00:48:33,867 --> 00:48:35,608
Um, he was drinking a lot.

997
00:48:35,782 --> 00:48:38,263
Uh, Linda had him
just all flipped out.

998
00:48:38,437 --> 00:48:39,917
They were going
through a nasty divorce.

999
00:48:40,091 --> 00:48:42,397
He needed a job.
He needed money.

1000
00:48:42,571 --> 00:48:46,140
He was living in an apartment,
and his finances were a wreck.

1001
00:48:46,314 --> 00:48:47,576
He was being sued.

1002
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:49,622
And Bubba brought him
into his house

1003
00:48:49,796 --> 00:48:51,015
and cared for him,

1004
00:48:51,189 --> 00:48:53,321
and, and so did Heather,
for that matter.

1005
00:48:53,495 --> 00:48:55,106
So, so Bubba
really took care of him.

1006
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,195
Like, Bubba was
one of his last only friends.

1007
00:48:57,369 --> 00:48:59,414
A lot of people
in the wrestling business

1008
00:48:59,588 --> 00:49:01,112
didn't like Terry at this point.

1009
00:49:01,286 --> 00:49:03,114
Bubba had an apartment
at his house

1010
00:49:03,288 --> 00:49:05,377
that was upstairs.
Had a kitchen,
had a nice bedroom,

1011
00:49:05,551 --> 00:49:07,988
had a fucking
movie theater in it.

1012
00:49:08,162 --> 00:49:11,687
And he let Hogan
stay there and live there
for as long as he wanted to.

1013
00:49:11,861 --> 00:49:15,822
He got Hogan a, a car deal
with Stingray Chevrolet,
so he had a car to drive.

1014
00:49:15,996 --> 00:49:17,650
-  When I went
through the divorce...
-  Yes.

1015
00:49:17,824 --> 00:49:20,218
...I actually stayed
on the far end of their house

1016
00:49:20,392 --> 00:49:22,916
in their spare bedroom
'cause I had nowhere to stay
for a few months.

1017
00:49:23,090 --> 00:49:24,613
-  Wow.
-  I was mentally
out of my mind,

1018
00:49:24,787 --> 00:49:26,528
rattled over all the craziness.

1019
00:49:26,702 --> 00:49:29,967
Hogan's in a dark place,
and Bubba and Heather,

1020
00:49:30,141 --> 00:49:32,752
together, come up with the idea

1021
00:49:32,926 --> 00:49:34,580
for, um, Heather
to have sex with him

1022
00:49:34,754 --> 00:49:36,712
to, like, cheer him up
and make him feel better.

1023
00:49:36,886 --> 00:49:39,715
They discussed it,
agreed upon it ahead of time,

1024
00:49:39,889 --> 00:49:42,631
and then approached
Hulk Hogan with it.

1025
00:49:57,298 --> 00:50:01,476
The videotape starred
Hogan and Heather Clem.

1026
00:50:01,650 --> 00:50:05,132
Um, she was the ex-wife
of shock jock Bubba the Love...

1027
00:50:05,306 --> 00:50:07,743
...posting a secretly-taped
sex video

1028
00:50:07,917 --> 00:50:10,181
showing Hogan
with his best friend's wife.

1029
00:50:10,355 --> 00:50:12,531
Hogan was videotaped
having sex with the wife

1030
00:50:12,705 --> 00:50:15,055
of shock jock
Bubba the Love Sponge Clem.

1031
00:50:15,229 --> 00:50:18,580
A sex video of Hulk
and Heather doing their thing.

1032
00:50:18,754 --> 00:50:21,888
- She was married to Bubba...
- So I call him and say...

1033
00:50:23,237 --> 00:50:26,719
..."Okay. Uh, hey, Bubba,
did your wife fuck Hogan?"

1034
00:50:26,893 --> 00:50:30,375
He's like, "Uh... yeah."

1035
00:50:30,940 --> 00:50:35,858
"You did what? You let your wife
have sex with Hogan?"

1036
00:50:36,381 --> 00:50:39,819
In the tape,
it's taken completely
off of surveillance cameras

1037
00:50:39,993 --> 00:50:44,302
that were set up
in the home of radio host
Bubba the Love Sponge Clem.

1038
00:50:44,476 --> 00:50:47,827
Um, and Gawker published
just one minute and 40 seconds
of this tape.

1039
00:50:48,001 --> 00:50:50,960
But we have now
found there-- there's
some additional information,

1040
00:50:51,135 --> 00:50:55,487
because Hulk was saying
that Bubba has anything
to do with this,

1041
00:50:55,661 --> 00:50:57,837
uh, that friendship is over.

1042
00:50:58,011 --> 00:51:00,535
In a press conference Monday,
Hogan's attorneys say

1043
00:51:00,709 --> 00:51:02,929
the Clems
knowingly took the video

1044
00:51:03,103 --> 00:51:05,845
and leaked it
in an attempt to make money.

1045
00:51:06,019 --> 00:51:08,413
And then I was like,
"Well, how the hell

1046
00:51:08,587 --> 00:51:10,328
did somebody get
ahold of that tape?"

1047
00:51:10,502 --> 00:51:12,591
Because I knew, um, I knew

1048
00:51:12,765 --> 00:51:15,420
Bubba would never have had
a hand in that. I knew it.

1049
00:51:15,594 --> 00:51:17,117
And I just kept
racking my brain.

1050
00:51:17,291 --> 00:51:19,902
Who the fuck took this tape?

1051
00:51:20,077 --> 00:51:23,254
Was it Brent? Was it Spice?
Was it Manson?

1052
00:51:23,428 --> 00:51:27,475
Was it 25?
Was it Russ? Was it Hamill?

1053
00:51:27,649 --> 00:51:31,218
And I trusted--
I genuinely trusted every person
that worked for me.

1054
00:51:31,392 --> 00:51:34,308
I genuinely-- you know,
they had keys to the building.

1055
00:51:34,482 --> 00:51:35,962
They can come
and do work on the weekend.

1056
00:51:36,136 --> 00:51:38,312
I could not figure out,

1057
00:51:38,486 --> 00:51:41,054
for the life of me,
as to how this was disseminated.

1058
00:51:41,228 --> 00:51:44,101
The real problem in itself
is who the hell leaked this?

1059
00:51:44,275 --> 00:51:45,928
-  Right.
Now, you say-- Listen--
-  That's the problem.

1060
00:51:46,103 --> 00:51:48,627
I guess he feels you leaked it.

1061
00:51:48,801 --> 00:51:51,238
Well, I would, I would hope
that he would help me,

1062
00:51:51,412 --> 00:51:54,328
or I could help him,
or we could go on our own
and find who did. Becau--

1063
00:51:54,502 --> 00:51:56,113
- Do you know who did?
- No, I don't.

1064
00:51:56,287 --> 00:51:58,941
Because I wish I could.
I wish I could find that.

1065
00:51:59,116 --> 00:52:01,596
-  Well, who has access
to those tapes?
- I don't know.

1066
00:52:01,770 --> 00:52:04,556
Initial reports,
and, and even Hogan

1067
00:52:04,730 --> 00:52:07,124
initially thought
that I leaked the tape.

1068
00:52:07,298 --> 00:52:10,866
There's just no advantage
for me to le-- leak that tape.

1069
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,739
Why would I want to expose
my best friend and my wife

1070
00:52:13,913 --> 00:52:15,784
through whatever
our little kink was?

1071
00:52:15,958 --> 00:52:18,309
- Why would I want to do that?
- He planned all of this.

1072
00:52:18,483 --> 00:52:20,920
"I'ma film it
and then I'ma put it

1073
00:52:21,094 --> 00:52:23,009
so everybody in the world
can see."

1074
00:52:23,183 --> 00:52:24,793
So, he tried
to make it seem like,

1075
00:52:24,967 --> 00:52:27,056
in my opinion,

1076
00:52:27,231 --> 00:52:29,842
that somebody stole
the video from him.

1077
00:52:30,016 --> 00:52:35,195
And that's how it anonymously
got to this Gawker Media source.

1078
00:52:35,369 --> 00:52:38,155
Bubba then sent
the clip off to someone else,

1079
00:52:38,329 --> 00:52:40,766
who then published it
for the world to see.

1080
00:52:40,940 --> 00:52:45,162
- Didn't Bubba sell
that tape to Gawker?
- Must have done.

1081
00:52:45,336 --> 00:52:47,468
We started trying
to figure out how it happened

1082
00:52:47,642 --> 00:52:49,731
and, and how it had been taken.

1083
00:52:50,776 --> 00:52:54,519
Then they go through a divorce.
This nasty divorce.

1084
00:52:54,693 --> 00:52:58,610
Bubba, unlike Hulk Hogan,
had an ironclad prenup.

1085
00:52:58,784 --> 00:53:01,308
And those DVDs, he feared,

1086
00:53:01,482 --> 00:53:05,312
would have given her
that leverage to get more money.

1087
00:53:05,486 --> 00:53:08,010
My reasoning for keeping
said surveillance

1088
00:53:08,185 --> 00:53:11,013
was because I didn't know
if Heather had it or not,

1089
00:53:11,188 --> 00:53:13,668
but I was afraid
that if she had a copy of it,

1090
00:53:14,234 --> 00:53:16,454
then she could manipulate it
in some way, shape or form,

1091
00:53:16,628 --> 00:53:18,107
and I get blamed for it.

1092
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,242
In his estimation, bringing 'em
to work...

1093
00:53:22,416 --> 00:53:25,854
and locking 'em up
in his office,
where she never was,

1094
00:53:26,028 --> 00:53:27,900
is the safe place for them to be

1095
00:53:28,074 --> 00:53:29,597
'cause she doesn't
have access to them,

1096
00:53:29,771 --> 00:53:32,774
and she can't use them
as leverage for money.

1097
00:53:32,948 --> 00:53:36,125
But I didn't destroy it.
I put it in my office.

1098
00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:38,867
I'm assuming everything's--
up there is okay.

1099
00:53:39,477 --> 00:53:41,696
Nobody really has a key
to even get up there.

1100
00:53:41,870 --> 00:53:44,482
My attorney said, "You need
to destroy this thing."

1101
00:53:45,091 --> 00:53:47,441
And, God, had I just listened.

1102
00:53:47,615 --> 00:53:51,053
Had I just fucking listened.

1103
00:53:58,539 --> 00:54:03,196
I'm walking down the hallways
of Cox Media Group,

1104
00:54:03,370 --> 00:54:06,112
and I hear some people,
like, laughing,

1105
00:54:06,286 --> 00:54:08,245
and I hear people doing their...
you know,

1106
00:54:08,419 --> 00:54:11,378
their typical
Bubba impersonation.

1107
00:54:11,552 --> 00:54:14,381
And I was walking
down the hallway,
heard some laughing.

1108
00:54:14,555 --> 00:54:17,471
I looked in,
and it was Mike Calta

1109
00:54:17,645 --> 00:54:21,736
and Matt "Spice Boy" Loyd
in his office.

1110
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:24,739
I thought maybe
this was something new
that they had found,

1111
00:54:24,913 --> 00:54:26,872
but the video
was not being played

1112
00:54:27,046 --> 00:54:29,440
on a website
or from a news story.

1113
00:54:29,614 --> 00:54:34,096
It, it was definitely
being played off
a media player-type thing.

1114
00:54:34,271 --> 00:54:37,796
What I'm saying is,
I know what I saw, and if I--

1115
00:54:37,970 --> 00:54:39,711
if that story would
have already been out there,

1116
00:54:39,885 --> 00:54:42,191
I would have heard about it,
is what I'm trying to say.

1117
00:54:42,366 --> 00:54:44,193
The most famous wrestler
in the world

1118
00:54:44,368 --> 00:54:47,371
now taking on Gawker
inside a Florida courtroom,

1119
00:54:47,545 --> 00:54:51,026
suing the website
for posting a 2007 video of him

1120
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,812
having sex with Heather Clem,
the then-wife

1121
00:54:53,986 --> 00:54:56,293
of his former best friend
Bubba Clem.

1122
00:54:56,467 --> 00:54:58,686
Hogan, seeking $100 million

1123
00:54:58,860 --> 00:55:00,949
for the alleged invasion
of privacy.

1124
00:55:01,123 --> 00:55:03,256
Now, I'm still working
for Cox at this time,

1125
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:05,954
so I didn't really know
who did what

1126
00:55:06,128 --> 00:55:10,307
until about five or six months
prior to the Gawker trial,

1127
00:55:10,481 --> 00:55:12,178
as to how all this shook out.

1128
00:55:12,352 --> 00:55:14,572
When Hogan was suing Gawker,

1129
00:55:14,746 --> 00:55:16,356
and I'm in depositions,

1130
00:55:16,530 --> 00:55:18,576
they kept asking me during--

1131
00:55:18,750 --> 00:55:21,492
the Gawker people,
"Do you know Mike Calta?

1132
00:55:22,057 --> 00:55:25,278
Do you know Tony Burton?"
I'm like, "Well, yeah."

1133
00:55:25,931 --> 00:55:27,889
Uh, "Would they
have access to this?"

1134
00:55:28,063 --> 00:55:30,065
And based on the questions
they were asking me,

1135
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,024
I was able to piece it together.

1136
00:55:32,198 --> 00:55:35,636
So, after the depositions
with Gawker, I got in my car,

1137
00:55:35,810 --> 00:55:38,770
and as fast
as my fat little fingers
could dial my phone,

1138
00:55:38,944 --> 00:55:41,686
I called my agent, Tom Bean, up
and I was like,

1139
00:55:41,860 --> 00:55:47,082
"Tom, I know
what the fuck happened now."

1140
00:56:00,879 --> 00:56:04,578
Part of it was that
the Tampa Bay radio scene
had distilled

1141
00:56:04,752 --> 00:56:07,712
this sort of shock jock
mentality in a way

1142
00:56:07,886 --> 00:56:11,019
that a lot of other
radio scenes hadn't done.

1143
00:56:12,151 --> 00:56:16,329
It's one of the fiercest
radio markets in the country.

1144
00:56:16,895 --> 00:56:19,811
Very, extremely competitive.

1145
00:56:19,985 --> 00:56:23,380
And there might have been
other markets where there were
one or two jocks

1146
00:56:23,554 --> 00:56:25,860
that were considered,
quote, unquote, "shock jocks."

1147
00:56:26,034 --> 00:56:29,690
But we had a, a radio market
where there was something like

1148
00:56:29,864 --> 00:56:34,216
five or six people who, who
were doing that kind of stuff.

1149
00:56:34,391 --> 00:56:37,481
And so they would talk about
each other because they knew

1150
00:56:37,655 --> 00:56:41,702
that the, um, competition
and the friction

1151
00:56:41,876 --> 00:56:46,403
would gin up, you know,
fans of both jocks.

1152
00:56:46,577 --> 00:56:49,754
That, that shows you how,
that shows you
how stupid you are, my friend,

1153
00:56:49,928 --> 00:56:52,017
because I talked to 25 about it.

1154
00:56:52,191 --> 00:56:53,975
...don't have to talk about you
to remain relevant.

1155
00:56:54,149 --> 00:56:56,935
What happened
to all of your failed markets?

1156
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:59,894
You are unsuccessful
in every one of them.

1157
00:57:00,068 --> 00:57:02,506
This company rolled out
the red carpet for you

1158
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,247
and you shoved it
right up your ass.

1159
00:57:05,422 --> 00:57:06,901
You ruined everything. You--

1160
00:57:07,075 --> 00:57:09,295
I find this to be a sad day
'cause this is not

1161
00:57:09,469 --> 00:57:11,645
about the First Amendment.
This is not about free speech.

1162
00:57:11,819 --> 00:57:15,432
And so some of it
was obviously genuine.

1163
00:57:15,606 --> 00:57:18,347
Some of these people
obviously hated each other.

1164
00:57:18,522 --> 00:57:20,959
Uh, but some of it
was also good for business.

1165
00:57:21,133 --> 00:57:23,396
And so,
and so you take the fact that,

1166
00:57:23,570 --> 00:57:25,267
you know, the shock jock genre
is kind of distilled

1167
00:57:25,442 --> 00:57:27,182
in the Tampa Bay area.

1168
00:57:27,356 --> 00:57:29,010
It's good for business,
for them to fight each other.

1169
00:57:29,184 --> 00:57:31,926
These people are toxic,
so they hate each other anyway.

1170
00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:35,190
And you have, you know,
all the makings for a situation

1171
00:57:35,364 --> 00:57:38,803
where you could have
a lot of awful stuff go down.

1172
00:57:38,977 --> 00:57:42,371
The radio market in Tampa Bay,
for decades, hands down,

1173
00:57:42,546 --> 00:57:45,636
I don't even think
there's a debate about it,
is and has been

1174
00:57:45,810 --> 00:57:49,683
the most competitive terrestrial
radio market there is.

1175
00:57:49,857 --> 00:57:54,253
The level that
it's gotten to in Tampa Bay
is almost unbelievable.

1176
00:57:54,427 --> 00:57:56,777
Pull out the heavy artillery
and do everything you can

1177
00:57:56,951 --> 00:57:59,040
to get the person off the air,
and probabl--

1178
00:57:59,214 --> 00:58:01,042
Best scenario,
throw 'em in jail.

1179
00:58:01,739 --> 00:58:04,568
"Cutthroat" is, is almost
being nice about it.

1180
00:58:09,268 --> 00:58:13,011
Since Bubba really came
on the scene in 1992,

1181
00:58:13,185 --> 00:58:18,886
he really had dominated
the Tampa Bay Area,
you know, broadcasting.

1182
00:58:19,060 --> 00:58:22,586
He was number one
by leaps and bounds,

1183
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,198
above anybody else
in the entire market,

1184
00:58:26,372 --> 00:58:30,245
up until he got terminated
by Clear Channel in 2004.

1185
00:58:30,985 --> 00:58:35,294
Then, when he started
with SiriusXM in 2006

1186
00:58:36,208 --> 00:58:39,385
and didn't come back
to the Tampa Bay airwaves,

1187
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:42,910
I think all of the Tampa Bay
terrestrial broadcasters

1188
00:58:43,084 --> 00:58:44,738
breathed a big sigh of relief,

1189
00:58:44,912 --> 00:58:47,349
knowing that they weren't
gonna have to compete

1190
00:58:47,524 --> 00:58:50,048
with Bubba the Love Sponge
anymore in Tampa Bay,

1191
00:58:50,222 --> 00:58:53,617
because clearly
they could not be successful

1192
00:58:53,791 --> 00:58:56,707
competing against him
because he dominated.

1193
00:58:58,578 --> 00:59:01,581
We do, you know,
SiriusXM exclusively

1194
00:59:01,755 --> 00:59:06,412
for 2006 and 2007
out of our own studios.

1195
00:59:06,586 --> 00:59:08,109
We're doing great.
We're on Howard 101.

1196
00:59:08,283 --> 00:59:10,459
Howard does mornings,
we do afternoons.

1197
00:59:10,634 --> 00:59:15,856
In late 2007,
Cox calls Tom Bean up,

1198
00:59:16,030 --> 00:59:18,119
and they're interested
in us doing mornings

1199
00:59:18,293 --> 00:59:21,470
on one radio station here
in Tampa, 102.5, The Bone.

1200
00:59:21,645 --> 00:59:24,038
I knew I was gonna have to do--
end up doing two shows,

1201
00:59:24,212 --> 00:59:26,867
which was gonna be exhausting,
but the money was
just unbelievable.

1202
00:59:29,043 --> 00:59:30,392
Okay, we're back now
with Bubba the Love Sponge,

1203
00:59:30,567 --> 00:59:34,135
who returns to radio 102.5,
The Bone, uh, FM,

1204
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:36,485
- here in Tampa
and also in, uh, Jacksonville.
- Yeah.

1205
00:59:36,660 --> 00:59:38,618
Okay, well, uh,
it will be interesting to watch.

1206
00:59:38,792 --> 00:59:41,012
Uh, Bubba's back.
You can either
run for your lives

1207
00:59:41,186 --> 00:59:43,580
- or cover your ears
or, or listen in.
-  Or both.

1208
00:59:43,754 --> 00:59:45,538
- All right. Very good
to have you on Flashpoint.
- Don't forget our bet.

1209
00:59:45,712 --> 00:59:47,888
All right. You bet--
Well, it's on videotape.

1210
00:59:48,062 --> 00:59:49,760
- No denying it. Thank you.
- Thank you, buddy.

1211
00:59:49,934 --> 00:59:53,894
So, we agreed to do mornings
on 102.5, The Bone.

1212
00:59:55,722 --> 00:59:57,898
And, and don't forget,
we replaced Calta.

1213
00:59:58,072 --> 01:00:01,510
When, you know,
Bubba was being, uh, looked at

1214
01:00:01,685 --> 01:00:04,078
as a replacement,
it was interesting for it to be

1215
01:00:04,252 --> 01:00:07,299
the replacement
of Mike Calta's show.

1216
01:00:07,473 --> 01:00:10,258
We signed a deal
with Cox to return back
to terrestrial radio

1217
01:00:10,432 --> 01:00:13,653
via The Bone, uh,
and in the first,

1218
01:00:13,827 --> 01:00:16,090
I don't know, 30 to 40, 45 days,

1219
01:00:16,264 --> 01:00:18,876
we were already number one
in almost everyday part.

1220
01:00:19,354 --> 01:00:21,879
And that's when things really
then started to get exciting.

1221
01:00:22,053 --> 01:00:24,011
No. No.

1222
01:00:24,185 --> 01:00:25,709
- That would kill somebody.
- That'd be awesome, you know?

1223
01:00:25,883 --> 01:00:27,275
So, you're not trying
to kill them. You're trying

1224
01:00:27,449 --> 01:00:28,842
to let them think
that they're gonna be killed.

1225
01:00:29,016 --> 01:00:30,191
And if they just give
us the information.

1226
01:00:30,365 --> 01:00:31,715
Yeah, you want
to find out where...

1227
01:00:31,889 --> 01:00:32,846
You know, we were dominating

1228
01:00:33,020 --> 01:00:34,674
our, our, our, our hometown.

1229
01:00:34,848 --> 01:00:36,502
And then, at that point,
we're talking syndication.

1230
01:00:36,676 --> 01:00:39,157
You know, other,
other cities as well.

1231
01:00:40,027 --> 01:00:44,075
Having been off the air
for four years,

1232
01:00:44,249 --> 01:00:47,382
had no promotion, had switched

1233
01:00:47,556 --> 01:00:51,735
to the broadcast medium
of satellite radio,

1234
01:00:52,387 --> 01:00:55,826
I don't think anybody
really expected Bubba
to do particularly well.

1235
01:00:57,001 --> 01:01:00,308
The ratings
for terrestrial radio, radio

1236
01:01:00,482 --> 01:01:03,007
come every week
and they're put into books.

1237
01:01:03,181 --> 01:01:06,967
Each book, you know, is,
uh, approximately a month,

1238
01:01:07,141 --> 01:01:09,709
and there are three books
to a quarter.

1239
01:01:09,883 --> 01:01:12,712
In Bubba's first full book back,

1240
01:01:13,278 --> 01:01:19,153
he took 102.5, The Bone,
from essentially last place

1241
01:01:19,327 --> 01:01:23,462
in the marketplace
to number one over the MJ Show,

1242
01:01:23,636 --> 01:01:26,770
which had been
his long nemesis before.

1243
01:01:26,944 --> 01:01:29,773
It made my competitors
and people within my company
hate me.

1244
01:01:29,947 --> 01:01:33,254
I mean, that's where
the animosity of Calta
came from.

1245
01:01:33,428 --> 01:01:35,256
You know, we,
we would be number one

1246
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:38,477
and afternoon drive would be,
you know, tenth.

1247
01:01:38,651 --> 01:01:42,350
Bubba!
Bubba! Bubba! Bubba...

1248
01:01:42,524 --> 01:01:44,918
They asked me
when I was doing my deal,

1249
01:01:45,092 --> 01:01:46,703
"Do you want us
to get rid of Calta?

1250
01:01:46,877 --> 01:01:48,269
'Cause I know
you guys had a long kind of--"

1251
01:01:48,443 --> 01:01:51,577
And I was like-- Probably
one of my biggest regrets

1252
01:01:51,751 --> 01:01:54,058
is me--
'Cause Tom Bean asked me.

1253
01:01:54,232 --> 01:01:57,714
Tom Bean actually tried
to get me to change my mind.

1254
01:01:57,888 --> 01:01:59,585
He was like, "Are you sure
you want to do that?"

1255
01:01:59,759 --> 01:02:01,195
And I'm like, "Yeah, whatever.
What the, what the fuck?

1256
01:02:01,369 --> 01:02:04,459
I mean, who cares?
I'm done with his bullshit."

1257
01:02:06,026 --> 01:02:07,506
Boy, I was wrong on that one.

1258
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,162
You know, Bubba was good
at rubbing it in your face

1259
01:02:11,336 --> 01:02:13,338
that he was kicking your ass.

1260
01:02:13,512 --> 01:02:15,644
Trying to remain relevant?
Are you kidding me?

1261
01:02:15,819 --> 01:02:17,864
Have you looked at the ratings?
Have you looked
at the ratings today?

1262
01:02:18,038 --> 01:02:20,258
Remain relevant?

1263
01:02:20,432 --> 01:02:23,000
Remain relevant?
Re-- remain relevant?

1264
01:02:23,174 --> 01:02:24,566
You're only good
as your last book.

1265
01:02:24,741 --> 01:02:27,831
You're down, you're down 61%.

1266
01:02:28,005 --> 01:02:31,530
So, he was good at pouring salt
into open wounds.

1267
01:02:32,139 --> 01:02:35,534
And then when he came back
in 2008, it was just like,

1268
01:02:35,708 --> 01:02:38,755
"What do we have to do
to kill this motherfucker?"

1269
01:02:46,763 --> 01:02:50,854
Every contract negotiation
we had with Sirius

1270
01:02:51,028 --> 01:02:54,466
was always
a big pain in the ass.

1271
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,860
Always just down
to the last minute.

1272
01:02:57,034 --> 01:03:00,211
Every time we negotiated
with him, it was never easy.

1273
01:03:00,385 --> 01:03:03,649
And finally, the final one was
just downright disrespectful.

1274
01:03:03,823 --> 01:03:09,046
Our final contract offer
was, uh, an 80% haircut.

1275
01:03:09,220 --> 01:03:12,266
From a million bucks to 200,000.

1276
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,530
Bubba's popularity
on SiriusXM...

1277
01:03:17,358 --> 01:03:18,620
...at its peak...

1278
01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:23,930
...clearly was a threat
to Howard Stern.

1279
01:03:24,104 --> 01:03:27,934
You know, why would
anybody want to have...

1280
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,069
...somebody that could garner

1281
01:03:32,243 --> 01:03:36,551
almost as good,
uh, uh, ratings as you can

1282
01:03:36,725 --> 01:03:39,293
- for pennies on the dollar?
-  And here we are,
killing it.

1283
01:03:39,467 --> 01:03:41,426
We have the most,
most call volume,

1284
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,820
we're, we're--
we work in five days a week.

1285
01:03:43,994 --> 01:03:45,604
We're doing mornings on Friday

1286
01:03:45,778 --> 01:03:48,433
on Howard's channel
'cause he wouldn't do mornings.

1287
01:03:48,607 --> 01:03:51,392
And rather than to say,
"Hey, you guys
make a million now,

1288
01:03:51,566 --> 01:03:54,265
we're gonna give you, you know,
a little bit more" or--

1289
01:03:54,439 --> 01:03:56,136
"Because we appreciate you."

1290
01:03:56,310 --> 01:04:00,575
Howard and Don Buchwald
are out to protect Howard Stern

1291
01:04:00,749 --> 01:04:04,666
and Howard Stern's
earning ability,
and Howard's rights,

1292
01:04:04,841 --> 01:04:08,322
just like my job
was to do that for Bubba.

1293
01:04:08,496 --> 01:04:11,717
So, that's just doing
what they're supposed to do.

1294
01:04:11,891 --> 01:04:15,112
But at the end of the day,
clearly, you know,

1295
01:04:15,286 --> 01:04:18,593
when you're second best
and there's somebody

1296
01:04:18,767 --> 01:04:22,119
that has a reason to want
to not have competition...

1297
01:04:24,034 --> 01:04:25,905
...you don't want
to have competition.

1298
01:04:27,298 --> 01:04:30,301
I think that offer had a lot
to do with us doing better

1299
01:04:30,475 --> 01:04:33,173
than a lot of people
had anticipated we would do.

1300
01:04:40,180 --> 01:04:44,402
When they had to take
the pay cut whenever they were
renegotiating with Sirius,

1301
01:04:44,576 --> 01:04:51,104
man, oh, man, Spice made
the biggest deal about taking
a pay cut at that time.

1302
01:04:51,757 --> 01:04:55,369
And you could see it.
Like, Spice was the one guy

1303
01:04:55,543 --> 01:04:58,329
that just went hard
into the paint.

1304
01:04:58,503 --> 01:05:01,593
He was very, very materialistic.

1305
01:05:01,767 --> 01:05:03,856
If somebody else
had something, there--

1306
01:05:04,030 --> 01:05:07,120
you could always tell
there was jealousy there.

1307
01:05:07,294 --> 01:05:09,775
He is money-obsessed,

1308
01:05:09,949 --> 01:05:11,864
um, and he doesn't
really understand

1309
01:05:12,038 --> 01:05:13,735
the business end of it.
He really doesn't.

1310
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:17,609
After this, even Spice Boy's
style on the air

1311
01:05:17,783 --> 01:05:22,614
became much more angry,
and bitter, and personal.

1312
01:05:26,618 --> 01:05:30,056
I think, early on it was

1313
01:05:30,752 --> 01:05:34,887
a mentorship-type relationship.

1314
01:05:35,061 --> 01:05:39,109
I think there was a time period,
as Matt got older

1315
01:05:39,283 --> 01:05:42,851
and more experienced
as a broadcaster,

1316
01:05:43,026 --> 01:05:46,725
where Matt started
to smell himself a little bit

1317
01:05:46,899 --> 01:05:50,729
and started to think
that he was just as capable
as Bubba.

1318
01:05:50,903 --> 01:05:53,036
And he became
very jealous of Bubba,

1319
01:05:53,210 --> 01:05:55,908
and he thought that
Bubba was fat and stupid

1320
01:05:56,082 --> 01:05:58,171
and "How could
he be successful?"

1321
01:05:58,345 --> 01:06:01,435
You know, "I'm smarter,
I'm good-looking.

1322
01:06:01,609 --> 01:06:03,046
I'm a better host."

1323
01:06:03,524 --> 01:06:05,004
Bubba was writing a book.

1324
01:06:05,178 --> 01:06:06,658
I don't even know
if it even came out.

1325
01:06:06,832 --> 01:06:08,355
And they made, uh,
everybody on the show

1326
01:06:08,529 --> 01:06:11,358
write a foreword,
uh, to Bubba's book,

1327
01:06:11,532 --> 01:06:15,754
and, and, and, Spice Boy
was just brutal.

1328
01:06:15,928 --> 01:06:19,366
Man, he said
some of the worst stuff.

1329
01:06:19,540 --> 01:06:22,717
Like, I, I--
when I, when I heard,
uh, Spice talking about it,

1330
01:06:22,891 --> 01:06:24,545
I was like,
"Oh, this is not gonna be good.

1331
01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:27,853
Bubba is going to blow his top."

1332
01:06:49,353 --> 01:06:53,357
I think Matt started
to think that he could be

1333
01:06:53,531 --> 01:06:58,362
just as successful, or even
perhaps a better broadcaster
than Bubba.

1334
01:06:58,536 --> 01:07:03,149
And their relationship changed
when we lost the contract

1335
01:07:03,323 --> 01:07:05,630
or we didn't renew
with SiriusXM.

1336
01:07:05,804 --> 01:07:09,373
Matt Loyd blamed Bubba,
and it were those types
of things

1337
01:07:09,547 --> 01:07:13,507
that started to cause
some financial, uh, losses

1338
01:07:13,681 --> 01:07:16,423
for the support cast
forBubba Show too,

1339
01:07:16,597 --> 01:07:19,209
because the show wasn't,
you know, bringing in

1340
01:07:19,383 --> 01:07:21,733
the same revenue
that it was before,

1341
01:07:21,907 --> 01:07:24,605
that there started
to be some resentment.

1342
01:07:35,399 --> 01:07:39,142
I find out that
he's leaving March of '12.

1343
01:07:39,316 --> 01:07:41,492
It's a very emotional time.
He was like my,

1344
01:07:41,666 --> 01:07:44,495
he was like my little,
like my little brother
or my son.

1345
01:07:44,669 --> 01:07:48,281
I remember that was
the first time
I actually saw Bubba cry.

1346
01:07:48,455 --> 01:07:51,545
He was really, really upset

1347
01:07:52,068 --> 01:07:55,027
that he was losing Spice Boy
at that time

1348
01:07:55,201 --> 01:07:57,551
because he was gonna
be leaving Bubba's show

1349
01:07:57,725 --> 01:08:01,642
to go do nights
at the new FM talk station.

1350
01:08:01,816 --> 01:08:03,731
But Bubba gave him
his full blessing.

1351
01:08:03,905 --> 01:08:05,820
He was like, "Man,
you're gonna be good at this.

1352
01:08:05,994 --> 01:08:07,953
You're gonna, you're gonna,
you're gonna grow,

1353
01:08:08,127 --> 01:08:10,956
you're gonna do your own thing.
And I wish you all the luck.

1354
01:08:11,130 --> 01:08:12,784
You're always welcome back."

1355
01:08:12,958 --> 01:08:16,701
You know, when... deals changed

1356
01:08:16,875 --> 01:08:19,747
and the remuneration went down,

1357
01:08:19,921 --> 01:08:21,967
and people had
to take less money,

1358
01:08:22,141 --> 01:08:25,275
you know, Bubba's decisions
didn't just affect Bubba.

1359
01:08:25,449 --> 01:08:29,844
They affected everybody
that was in Bubba's world,
Matt included.

1360
01:08:42,118 --> 01:08:45,033
At the time,
Calta was doing 3:00 to 7:00,

1361
01:08:45,208 --> 01:08:49,299
and then coming on
right after that would be,
uh, Matt Loyd Show.

1362
01:08:49,473 --> 01:08:53,520
So, they would see each other
every day, being able to talk.

1363
01:08:53,694 --> 01:08:57,829
And I think the plan was not
having Bubba in the building,

1364
01:08:58,003 --> 01:09:00,266
having Matt Loyd
over there as well too.

1365
01:09:00,440 --> 01:09:03,182
The whole thing is,
"Let's work together.

1366
01:09:03,356 --> 01:09:06,272
Let's get Bubba
off the morning show

1367
01:09:06,446 --> 01:09:08,144
here at 102.5, The Bone.

1368
01:09:08,318 --> 01:09:11,103
I'm gonna take mornings.
You're obviously gonna

1369
01:09:11,277 --> 01:09:13,845
move up to 3:00 to 7:00
afternoon drive."

1370
01:09:14,019 --> 01:09:17,675
I think them being able to see
each other every single day,

1371
01:09:17,849 --> 01:09:20,243
they were able to work together.

1372
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,071
Not being in the building,

1373
01:09:23,246 --> 01:09:25,683
I never really knew
would be that big of a deal.

1374
01:09:25,857 --> 01:09:28,512
I mean, I thought that we would
be out of mind, out of sight.

1375
01:09:28,686 --> 01:09:31,515
The only thing
that really mattered
was the type of show we put on

1376
01:09:31,689 --> 01:09:33,299
and the ratings
that we garnered.

1377
01:09:33,473 --> 01:09:36,737
I never knew that that enabled
people who didn't like us

1378
01:09:36,911 --> 01:09:38,957
or were jealous of us
to just start a--

1379
01:09:39,131 --> 01:09:41,394
like, a little mini
whisper campaign and...

1380
01:09:41,568 --> 01:09:44,484
Bubba had made the decision
to replace Mike Calta

1381
01:09:44,658 --> 01:09:48,401
with Brent Hatley
sometime around 2000.

1382
01:09:48,575 --> 01:09:52,318
That created
a bunch of animosity

1383
01:09:52,492 --> 01:09:55,626
between, you know,
Mike Calta and Bubba then.

1384
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,019
And anytime Mike Calta would run

1385
01:09:58,194 --> 01:10:01,109
into a problem or an issue,
he would blame Bubba for it.

1386
01:10:01,284 --> 01:10:04,069
You're a big, fat, cross-eyed
cuckold is what you are.

1387
01:10:04,678 --> 01:10:06,941
Anything else, Mike?
Anything else?

1388
01:10:07,725 --> 01:10:09,074
It's nothing really relevant.

1389
01:10:09,248 --> 01:10:10,989
"Man, Bubba's really
hard to deal with,"

1390
01:10:11,163 --> 01:10:13,209
and "He'll never come
to the studio."

1391
01:10:13,383 --> 01:10:16,342
And "We ask him and,
you know, he just-- he, he has

1392
01:10:16,516 --> 01:10:20,128
so many other affiliates,
and he does
an afternoon drive show."

1393
01:10:20,303 --> 01:10:23,306
And "He thinks he's all that,"
or "He's, he's got a big head."

1394
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:25,873
And, and that's not,
that's not--

1395
01:10:26,047 --> 01:10:27,701
wasn't our mindset at all.

1396
01:10:27,875 --> 01:10:30,095
We were, you know,
kind of rewarding ourselves

1397
01:10:30,269 --> 01:10:32,445
and having our own facility
because we weren't just

1398
01:10:32,619 --> 01:10:34,404
a Bone, Cox product.

1399
01:10:34,578 --> 01:10:36,493
We were more global than that.

1400
01:10:36,667 --> 01:10:39,235
Mike Calta had
an ax to grind with Bubba.

1401
01:10:39,409 --> 01:10:42,238
Why would he stop
having an ax to grind?

1402
01:10:42,412 --> 01:10:45,066
In this instance,
Bubba was replacing him,

1403
01:10:45,241 --> 01:10:47,155
moving him
from the coveted morning spot

1404
01:10:47,330 --> 01:10:49,114
back to afternoon drive.

1405
01:10:49,288 --> 01:10:52,073
It gets very cutthroat,
trying to get to mornings.

1406
01:10:53,031 --> 01:10:56,077
That's every good radio person's
goal, is to get to mornings.

1407
01:10:56,252 --> 01:11:00,125
And some people, um, are willing
to do anything to get there.

1408
01:11:00,299 --> 01:11:02,214
In Tampa, you have
people suing each other,

1409
01:11:02,388 --> 01:11:04,172
trying to get
each other arrested.

1410
01:11:04,347 --> 01:11:07,306
There's all kinds of things
going on to grab
this morning slot

1411
01:11:07,480 --> 01:11:10,918
on these major companies,
these major signals in Tampa.

1412
01:11:11,092 --> 01:11:13,269
It's, it's like nothing else
in radio.

1413
01:11:13,443 --> 01:11:16,402
It was Bubba getting over
on Mike Calta again,

1414
01:11:16,576 --> 01:11:19,362
and Bubba letting him stay
and continue to work

1415
01:11:19,536 --> 01:11:21,015
at the same radio station

1416
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:23,844
in the same, uh,
broadcast facility.

1417
01:11:24,018 --> 01:11:27,892
That Bubba Show
was being originated, to me,
didn't make any sense.

1418
01:11:28,066 --> 01:11:30,460
It was letting the fox
into the henhouse.

1419
01:11:30,634 --> 01:11:32,026
Why would you do that?

1420
01:11:32,679 --> 01:11:35,900
Um, had I known of the cancer
that that created,

1421
01:11:36,074 --> 01:11:38,729
by not being in the building,
I would have really made it

1422
01:11:38,903 --> 01:11:41,906
a bigger effort to be
in that building more often

1423
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:43,734
and talk to the people more.

1424
01:11:43,908 --> 01:11:47,346
This sex tape was their play

1425
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,696
to get Bubba off the air
for good.

1426
01:11:49,870 --> 01:11:52,917
They were trying everything

1427
01:11:53,091 --> 01:11:54,614
to get him off the air
and throw him in jail

1428
01:11:54,788 --> 01:11:57,182
because they can't beat him
on the air.

1429
01:11:57,356 --> 01:11:59,489
They-- I mean, they can't.

1430
01:11:59,663 --> 01:12:01,447
So they have to cheat.

1431
01:12:21,206 --> 01:12:23,600
Many of us, myself included,
remember watching

1432
01:12:23,774 --> 01:12:27,212
Hulk Hogan's exploits
in the ring as a pro wrestler.

1433
01:12:27,386 --> 01:12:31,042
But today, we saw him fighting
in an entirely different arena.

1434
01:12:31,216 --> 01:12:33,261
In court, on the stand,

1435
01:12:33,436 --> 01:12:36,482
taking on the website Gawker
over a sex tape.

1436
01:12:42,532 --> 01:12:45,491
Hogan had announced
that he was going to sue

1437
01:12:45,665 --> 01:12:48,625
Bubba, Heather and Gawker
for $100 million.

1438
01:12:48,799 --> 01:12:51,367
WWE Superstar Hulk Hogan,

1439
01:12:51,541 --> 01:12:53,412
whose real name is Terry Bollea,

1440
01:12:53,586 --> 01:12:56,241
took the stand today
for the first day of testimony

1441
01:12:56,415 --> 01:12:58,330
in his lawsuit against Gawker.

1442
01:12:58,504 --> 01:12:59,853
The first knowledge...

1443
01:13:01,202 --> 01:13:02,987
...that I heard that
there was a tape out there

1444
01:13:03,161 --> 01:13:05,859
was some still images came up...

1445
01:13:07,165 --> 01:13:10,777
...and TMZ called me and said,

1446
01:13:10,951 --> 01:13:14,215
"Hey, there's a rumor that there
might be a, a tape out there."

1447
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:16,304
Guess who's beloved
in this community.

1448
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:17,654
Terry Bollea.

1449
01:13:17,828 --> 01:13:19,786
And he was not
a terrible victim,

1450
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:21,571
he was a real victim.

1451
01:13:21,745 --> 01:13:23,921
First up, the defense,
putting former editor-in-chief

1452
01:13:24,095 --> 01:13:25,662
A.J. Daulerio on the stand

1453
01:13:25,836 --> 01:13:27,707
and Hogan's lawyers
hammering him

1454
01:13:27,881 --> 01:13:29,535
on his reasons
for posting that tape.

1455
01:13:34,061 --> 01:13:37,282
It's not out-loud laughter, no,
but it is a smirk. Yeah.

1456
01:13:41,373 --> 01:13:44,681
- It's very serious.
-  At points,
Daulerio even seeming

1457
01:13:44,855 --> 01:13:47,510
to contradict
part of Gawker's defense

1458
01:13:47,684 --> 01:13:49,207
that the tape was newsworthy

1459
01:13:49,381 --> 01:13:50,817
and their decision
to publish it,

1460
01:13:50,991 --> 01:13:52,602
covered by the First Amendment.

1461
01:13:52,776 --> 01:13:56,388
And just because
two adults had consensual,

1462
01:13:56,562 --> 01:13:58,912
uh, interactions
or relationships

1463
01:13:59,086 --> 01:14:02,612
and somehow
it was perverted into this,
it would be different today.

1464
01:14:02,786 --> 01:14:04,918
Nick Denton,
the founder of Gawker Media,

1465
01:14:05,092 --> 01:14:08,487
stands by his company's decision
to post that video.

1466
01:14:08,661 --> 01:14:10,184
This has got nothing
to do with privacy.

1467
01:14:10,358 --> 01:14:12,491
Uh, this is all about publicity.

1468
01:14:12,665 --> 01:14:16,060
Uh, the sex tape
had been talked about.
Uh, he didn't like our story.

1469
01:14:16,234 --> 01:14:19,324
And another thing
that Dan Abrams just said,
I agree with,

1470
01:14:19,498 --> 01:14:23,154
and I've said from the get-go,
they have to believe Hulk Hogan,

1471
01:14:23,328 --> 01:14:25,417
because if they decide
they don't like Hulk

1472
01:14:25,591 --> 01:14:29,465
or they don't believe him,
his entire case is right down

1473
01:14:29,639 --> 01:14:31,641
- the toilet. Everything.
-  Gawker want--
Gawker wanted--

1474
01:14:31,815 --> 01:14:34,905
Bubba the Love Sponge's ex-wife,
she's on the stand.

1475
01:14:35,079 --> 01:14:37,298
She says she is the real victim
in this case.

1476
01:14:37,473 --> 01:14:38,561
Her name is Heather Cole.

1477
01:14:38,735 --> 01:14:39,910
She claims she had no idea

1478
01:14:40,084 --> 01:14:41,564
she was being recorded.

1479
01:14:41,738 --> 01:14:43,566
Guess it must have been
the husband.

1480
01:14:43,740 --> 01:14:45,916
She was having sex
with her husband's best friend

1481
01:14:46,090 --> 01:14:47,352
and had no idea
she was being recorded.

1482
01:14:47,526 --> 01:14:49,267
Heather was Clem's wife.

1483
01:14:49,441 --> 01:14:51,312
Bubba Clem asked you,
and do you recall

1484
01:14:51,487 --> 01:14:53,489
- what your answer was?
- I said I would.

1485
01:15:06,937 --> 01:15:08,678
Come on.

1486
01:15:10,462 --> 01:15:11,550
I mean...

1487
01:15:14,901 --> 01:15:16,294
Please.

1488
01:15:17,077 --> 01:15:19,776
If this jury believes
that Hulk Hogan is lying

1489
01:15:19,950 --> 01:15:21,604
about how this happened,

1490
01:15:21,778 --> 01:15:23,519
I think
that could impact damages.

1491
01:15:23,693 --> 01:15:25,477
'Cause I've said again
and again, if this juror ha--

1492
01:15:25,651 --> 01:15:27,218
If these jurors hate Gawker,

1493
01:15:27,392 --> 01:15:28,741
that could be
really dangerous for Gawker.

1494
01:15:28,915 --> 01:15:30,700
If these jurors
don't like Hulk Hogan,

1495
01:15:30,874 --> 01:15:32,745
- that's not helpful
for him either.
- How about this--

1496
01:15:33,485 --> 01:15:35,705
If I agree to do something
that's lawful

1497
01:15:35,879 --> 01:15:37,663
and I put it
on a piece of paper or a tape

1498
01:15:37,837 --> 01:15:40,623
and someone steals it,
that's theft.

1499
01:15:40,797 --> 01:15:44,452
If that theft affects my life,
that's damages.

1500
01:15:45,018 --> 01:15:46,367
That's punishable.

1501
01:15:46,542 --> 01:15:49,327
That's actionable.
I am at a loss.

1502
01:15:49,501 --> 01:15:52,373
Why we're here
all these years later
with a videotape,

1503
01:15:52,548 --> 01:15:56,247
and there was never
a single person
who was punished?

1504
01:15:56,421 --> 01:15:58,466
That's what's wrong
with our justice system.

1505
01:16:11,175 --> 01:16:14,047
This is exactly the vindication
that he and the lawyers wanted.

1506
01:16:14,221 --> 01:16:18,356
He's also been awarded
$115 million by that jury.

1507
01:16:18,530 --> 01:16:21,359
It took them
six hours of deliberation
to reach this verdict.

1508
01:16:21,533 --> 01:16:24,057
And it was a very happy Hogan
and his lawyer

1509
01:16:24,231 --> 01:16:26,712
that were outside the courtroom
after the verdict was reached.

1510
01:16:26,886 --> 01:16:29,236
Mr. Bollea's
exceptionally happy.

1511
01:16:29,410 --> 01:16:31,064
This is not only
his victory today,

1512
01:16:31,238 --> 01:16:33,937
but also anyone else
who's been victimized

1513
01:16:34,111 --> 01:16:37,114
by tabloid journalism.
We're coming back Monday

1514
01:16:37,288 --> 01:16:39,638
for the rest of it,
and we thank you all
for your interest.

1515
01:16:39,812 --> 01:16:41,945
- There's absolutely no doubt
that the decision we made...
- Yeah.

1516
01:16:42,119 --> 01:16:45,513
- ...was absolutely correct.
- If we were all
in the same circumstances,

1517
01:16:45,688 --> 01:16:47,777
- how would we feel about it?
- Did any of you think

1518
01:16:47,951 --> 01:16:50,344
- that he might have been
behind that tape?
- There's still no right

1519
01:16:50,518 --> 01:16:52,346
- to put that out there
if he doesn't want it put out.
- Right.

1520
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,653
He's very charming on the stand,

1521
01:16:54,827 --> 01:16:57,700
um, but he's been shown
to have lied on the stand

1522
01:16:57,874 --> 01:17:00,267
as much as--
uh, he's a charming liar.

1523
01:17:00,441 --> 01:17:02,095
We were a bunch of honest jerks.

1524
01:17:02,618 --> 01:17:05,011
You know, I may have fucked up
a, a lot of pieces

1525
01:17:05,185 --> 01:17:06,839
in this puzzle,

1526
01:17:07,013 --> 01:17:08,711
but there's one thing
that I didn't do.

1527
01:17:08,885 --> 01:17:11,975
I did not leak that tape.

1528
01:17:12,584 --> 01:17:16,457
I would have preferred that
that tape stayed in my desk

1529
01:17:16,632 --> 01:17:18,329
and never been viewed
by anybody.

1530
01:17:18,503 --> 01:17:20,766
And only three people
in the world know about it.

1531
01:17:20,940 --> 01:17:23,856
Heather, Hogan and me.

1532
01:17:31,255 --> 01:17:33,518
It destroyed Bubba
as much as it...

1533
01:17:33,692 --> 01:17:35,346
Well, uh, did it
really destroy Hogan

1534
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,653
or did it make Hogan
bigger and richer?

1535
01:17:37,827 --> 01:17:40,220
Bubba had so many levels
of betrayal on this,

1536
01:17:40,394 --> 01:17:41,961
and, and Hogan knows it.

1537
01:17:42,135 --> 01:17:44,311
And so, you know,
if Hogan's watching this,

1538
01:17:44,485 --> 01:17:47,010
I say to Hogan,
"It's time to forgive."

1539
01:17:47,184 --> 01:17:50,143
Not only did he originally
think that I leaked it,

1540
01:17:50,796 --> 01:17:53,059
but everybody thinks
that I leaked it.

1541
01:17:53,233 --> 01:17:55,801
To this day. Ask anybody.

1542
01:17:56,367 --> 01:17:57,934
When Hogan approached me

1543
01:17:58,108 --> 01:18:01,285
about the screenshot
that was on The Dirty...

1544
01:18:03,156 --> 01:18:04,027
...um...

1545
01:18:05,637 --> 01:18:07,639
...you know...
I lied to him.

1546
01:18:08,118 --> 01:18:10,990
I lied to him
because I was reckless.

1547
01:18:11,164 --> 01:18:15,081
I relied-- I lied to him
because I was embarrassed.

1548
01:18:15,691 --> 01:18:17,475
If I could go back,

1549
01:18:17,649 --> 01:18:21,566
I would have never
captivated that moment.

1550
01:18:21,740 --> 01:18:25,004
I would have never
transferred it to a DVD.

1551
01:18:25,483 --> 01:18:28,878
I would have just let Terry
and Heather enjoy themselves.

1552
01:18:29,052 --> 01:18:30,488
And that's all.

1553
01:18:35,798 --> 01:18:39,540
You know, receiving material
that's been stolen from somebody

1554
01:18:39,715 --> 01:18:43,153
is, uh, is a big, uh, problem.

1555
01:18:43,327 --> 01:18:46,547
And, you know,
if you're a journalist

1556
01:18:46,722 --> 01:18:50,726
and that material
is the Pentagon Papers

1557
01:18:50,900 --> 01:18:52,640
or that material
is something that has

1558
01:18:52,815 --> 01:18:55,034
tremendous journalism value

1559
01:18:55,208 --> 01:18:57,428
to the general public,

1560
01:18:57,602 --> 01:19:01,649
um, then you might think
about publishing something

1561
01:19:01,824 --> 01:19:03,869
that has been, uh, you know,

1562
01:19:04,043 --> 01:19:07,960
taken, uh, without consent
or without permission.

1563
01:19:08,134 --> 01:19:09,657
But something like this,

1564
01:19:09,832 --> 01:19:11,921
something personal
that was stolen from someone,

1565
01:19:12,095 --> 01:19:15,098
um, you know, that-- that's
the, that's the other thing

1566
01:19:15,272 --> 01:19:16,882
I think that would have
kept me from publishing it,

1567
01:19:17,056 --> 01:19:19,624
was, was knowing
that the material came to me

1568
01:19:19,798 --> 01:19:21,757
because it was stolen
from someone.

1569
01:19:21,931 --> 01:19:25,108
Do you believe
your battle with Gawker

1570
01:19:25,282 --> 01:19:26,849
has gotten lost behind the talk

1571
01:19:27,023 --> 01:19:30,026
of how much money
the jury decided to award you?

1572
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:31,549
I don't think so.

1573
01:19:31,723 --> 01:19:34,857
I think the public
feels the same way I did.

1574
01:19:35,031 --> 01:19:37,990
And so I think that makes,
makes a huge statement.

1575
01:19:38,164 --> 01:19:40,123
"Is that a big enough number?"

1576
01:19:40,297 --> 01:19:45,171
Um, maybe not, but it should be
a deterrent for anybody else

1577
01:19:45,345 --> 01:19:47,608
who ever tries to do
anything like this not to do it,

1578
01:19:47,783 --> 01:19:49,785
that you will be
held accountable.

1579
01:19:49,959 --> 01:19:52,744
It made me a little bit sick.
I don't know
how he can sleep at night

1580
01:19:52,918 --> 01:19:54,964
knowing that he's got the money
for doing what he did.

1581
01:20:04,103 --> 01:20:08,194
Um, I would've
been honest with Terry.

1582
01:20:08,934 --> 01:20:13,286
Not been a pussy, not been a s--
little scared bitch like I was.

1583
01:20:13,460 --> 01:20:16,942
And maybe the outcome would've
been a little bit different.

1584
01:20:17,116 --> 01:20:19,727
Maybe I could've actually
have participated

1585
01:20:19,902 --> 01:20:23,079
in getting the bad guys
that did this

1586
01:20:23,253 --> 01:20:25,733
and still been the piece of shit
that recorded it.

1587
01:20:25,908 --> 01:20:30,390
But maybe... be more
on Terry's offensive side.

1588
01:20:30,913 --> 01:20:34,046
And, uh, if,
if I had the opportunity

1589
01:20:34,220 --> 01:20:36,135
to tell him I was sorry,
I would.

1590
01:20:54,850 --> 01:21:00,638
Keith Davidson...
was a Hollywood attorney

1591
01:21:00,812 --> 01:21:06,035
that brokered... hush money
gag-type agreements

1592
01:21:06,209 --> 01:21:10,648
between the people
that were involved
in these things

1593
01:21:10,822 --> 01:21:15,435
and the people that purported
to be the owners
of the material.

1594
01:21:15,609 --> 01:21:20,353
I get involved when a situation
or a, uh, relationship
has gone bad.

1595
01:21:20,527 --> 01:21:22,355
If you look historically,
you know,

1596
01:21:22,529 --> 01:21:24,923
in any time in the US
or any country,

1597
01:21:25,097 --> 01:21:27,926
there are folks
who have been able to get in

1598
01:21:28,100 --> 01:21:30,973
as a part of what they do

1599
01:21:31,147 --> 01:21:33,627
in their profession
is, is to be fixers.

1600
01:21:33,801 --> 01:21:36,065
That is when
people get in a bind.

1601
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:38,415
They hire people to,
to clean it up.

1602
01:21:38,589 --> 01:21:41,331
If you go back to the, you know,

1603
01:21:41,505 --> 01:21:43,811
the old-school sex tapes,

1604
01:21:44,290 --> 01:21:46,075
um, when they
first started coming out

1605
01:21:46,249 --> 01:21:48,468
and they were, quote, unquote,
"stolen" and things like that...

1606
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:54,518
Keith Davidson, he was
behind a lot of this kind
of nefarious stuff

1607
01:21:54,692 --> 01:21:56,912
that was going on
on the fringes.

1608
01:21:57,086 --> 01:21:59,392
Their job is to go
and try to make it better.

1609
01:21:59,566 --> 01:22:01,307
Now, there's a couple ways
you can do that.

1610
01:22:01,481 --> 01:22:03,483
Number one is
you lean on relationships.

1611
01:22:04,180 --> 01:22:08,401
Secondly, you, you have
the people that you know

1612
01:22:08,575 --> 01:22:12,231
that you can call on
to negotiate and broker deals.

1613
01:22:13,102 --> 01:22:14,886
When you look
at people like this,

1614
01:22:15,060 --> 01:22:18,368
it's part
of the fabric of our society.

1615
01:22:19,064 --> 01:22:21,545
And he had a long history
of doing good work.

1616
01:22:22,241 --> 01:22:25,418
"Good work" means
getting people's situations
taken care of.

1617
01:22:26,637 --> 01:22:30,119
And in our case, his involvement
was to solve a problem.

1618
01:22:30,902 --> 01:22:32,599
And that problem got solved.

1619
01:23:36,837 --> 01:23:37,751
Yeah.

1620
01:23:38,535 --> 01:23:41,364
Once it ends up on Gawker,
then Keith Davidson,

1621
01:23:41,538 --> 01:23:44,454
on the behalf of Matt Loyd,
calls David Houston,

1622
01:23:44,628 --> 01:23:47,239
who's Hulk Hogan's
personal attorney,

1623
01:23:47,413 --> 01:23:50,199
to tell him
that they have these DVDs

1624
01:23:50,373 --> 01:23:54,159
and they want $300,000
from Hulk Hogan for it.

1625
01:23:54,333 --> 01:23:57,728
So, then Hulk Hogan
and his attorney
contact the FBI.

1626
01:23:58,294 --> 01:24:01,079
The FBI records
the next conversation

1627
01:24:01,253 --> 01:24:04,648
that Keith Davidson has
with David Houston.

1628
01:24:05,301 --> 01:24:08,391
And then the FBI is there
in Clearwater

1629
01:24:08,565 --> 01:24:12,786
when Keith Davidson shows up
with a proxy sent by Matt Loyd

1630
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:17,052
to extort, extort Hulk Hogan,
which completely goes awry.

1631
01:25:15,545 --> 01:25:16,546
Yeah.

1632
01:25:25,555 --> 01:25:30,473
So, on December 14th, 2012,
I'm at the Penthouse Club

1633
01:25:30,647 --> 01:25:33,171
doing an appearance
for the radio station
with Brent.

1634
01:25:33,911 --> 01:25:37,784
That's when the FBI is doing
their sting operation
at the Sandpearl,

1635
01:25:37,958 --> 01:25:41,571
and Lori Burbrige
and Keith Davidson
are nose down,

1636
01:25:41,745 --> 01:25:43,355
being arrested,

1637
01:25:43,529 --> 01:25:46,837
and Matt Loyd has
the audacity and the balls

1638
01:25:47,011 --> 01:25:49,013
to come
into my personal appearance

1639
01:25:49,187 --> 01:25:51,450
and "Oh, Bubba, congratulations
on being divorced.

1640
01:25:51,624 --> 01:25:53,757
Oh, Brent. Oh, hey,
miss you guys. Miss you guys."

1641
01:25:53,931 --> 01:25:56,499
His wife is pregnant.
His wife is pregnant.
Tasha is pregnant.

1642
01:25:56,673 --> 01:25:58,414
Stayed about
five or ten minutes.

1643
01:25:58,588 --> 01:26:01,286
While this sting is happening
at the Sandpearl restaurant,

1644
01:26:01,460 --> 01:26:03,201
he then drives across the street

1645
01:26:03,375 --> 01:26:05,290
to the International Mall,
International Plaza.

1646
01:26:05,464 --> 01:26:07,031
Real fucking fancy mall.

1647
01:26:07,205 --> 01:26:09,164
And that's where he ends up--

1648
01:26:09,338 --> 01:26:11,296
the FBI ends up arresting him.

1649
01:26:11,470 --> 01:26:13,907
So, literally
five to ten minutes

1650
01:26:14,081 --> 01:26:16,823
before he got arrested
at the International Plaza mall,

1651
01:26:16,997 --> 01:26:20,958
he had came, came
and said hi to me and Brent
at the Penthouse Club.

1652
01:26:21,132 --> 01:26:24,353
That's how much of
a maniacal motherfucker he is.

1653
01:26:25,571 --> 01:26:29,532
So, Matt Loyd steals the tape
and he comes up
with the dumbest plan ever.

1654
01:26:29,706 --> 01:26:32,883
So, they first go to TMZ,
get 7500 bucks.

1655
01:26:33,057 --> 01:26:36,191
TMZ publishes nothing.
They just talk about it
on the air,

1656
01:26:36,365 --> 01:26:38,323
and they get Hulk Hogan
on the air and talk about it.

1657
01:26:38,932 --> 01:26:43,154
So, then Loyd goes
to Mike Calta at The Bone,

1658
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:47,202
who then contacts his agent,
a guy named Tony Burton,

1659
01:26:47,376 --> 01:26:50,727
who works for Don Buchwald
and Associates in New York City.

1660
01:26:50,901 --> 01:26:53,556
Tony Burton contacts Gawker,

1661
01:26:53,730 --> 01:26:56,341
an editor at Gawker
named A.J. Daulerio.

1662
01:26:56,515 --> 01:27:01,346
Then Tony Burton
sends an email to Calta
of the address to send it to.

1663
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,610
And then the tape
winds up with A.J. Daulerio...

1664
01:27:04,784 --> 01:27:08,614
on his desk,
at the address that Tony Burton,

1665
01:27:08,788 --> 01:27:10,921
Calta's agent, emailed to Calta

1666
01:27:11,095 --> 01:27:13,445
and told Calta,
"There's where
to send the tape."

1667
01:27:14,011 --> 01:27:16,187
So, now it gets published
on Gawker.

1668
01:27:16,883 --> 01:27:18,320
Not really worth anything.

1669
01:27:18,842 --> 01:27:20,670
I mean, other than
causing Bubba problems,

1670
01:27:20,844 --> 01:27:22,324
which is what they wanted to do.

1671
01:27:22,498 --> 01:27:25,501
I think
he was planning to leave

1672
01:27:25,675 --> 01:27:29,722
and planning to become
a broadcaster in the market

1673
01:27:29,896 --> 01:27:31,637
and compete against Bubba.

1674
01:27:32,116 --> 01:27:34,553
And I think, before he left,

1675
01:27:34,727 --> 01:27:38,165
he started looking for material

1676
01:27:38,340 --> 01:27:39,950
that he had access to

1677
01:27:40,124 --> 01:27:42,344
that he thought he could use,

1678
01:27:42,518 --> 01:27:46,086
that could potentially
put Bubba into a bad light.

1679
01:27:46,609 --> 01:27:49,002
The problem
with their plan was...

1680
01:27:50,047 --> 01:27:54,138
...Matt Loyd has no ability
to really observe...
anybody else

1681
01:27:54,312 --> 01:27:55,748
and understand who they are.

1682
01:27:55,922 --> 01:27:57,881
'Cause if you understand
who Hulk Hogan is

1683
01:27:58,055 --> 01:27:59,926
and you've been around him
for five minutes...

1684
01:28:00,100 --> 01:28:01,754
you know
that that's not--

1685
01:28:01,928 --> 01:28:05,323
that South Tampa motherfucker
is not somebody

1686
01:28:05,497 --> 01:28:07,499
that you want to try to extort,

1687
01:28:07,673 --> 01:28:10,633
because you will
never extort a dime
out of fuckin' Hulk Hogan.

1688
01:28:23,820 --> 01:28:26,388
Now Hogan
is looking to recover
the balance of the damages

1689
01:28:26,562 --> 01:28:29,956
from the people he believes
leaked and sold that video.

1690
01:28:30,130 --> 01:28:32,829
According to court records,
it was a conspiracy

1691
01:28:33,003 --> 01:28:35,701
involving shock jock
Mike Calta, Loyd,

1692
01:28:35,875 --> 01:28:38,269
Cox Radio and a few associates.

1693
01:28:38,791 --> 01:28:41,011
You know, after the Gawker case

1694
01:28:41,185 --> 01:28:45,276
and Hogan brought the case
against Cox and Mike Calta...

1695
01:28:46,321 --> 01:28:49,236
...that case
never went to trial.

1696
01:28:50,237 --> 01:28:52,762
They filed
that second amended complaint.

1697
01:28:52,936 --> 01:28:57,549
It had all of that data
that showed the emails,

1698
01:28:57,723 --> 01:28:59,638
the telephone conversations,

1699
01:28:59,812 --> 01:29:02,902
dates, times,
who, when, how, where.

1700
01:29:03,555 --> 01:29:07,559
Again, it became...
uncontrovertible.

1701
01:29:07,733 --> 01:29:10,736
There was no question
that they had it,

1702
01:29:10,910 --> 01:29:12,303
they distributed it,

1703
01:29:12,477 --> 01:29:14,653
and that many people
knew about it.

1704
01:29:14,827 --> 01:29:16,960
Hogan says he was
a victim of radio wars

1705
01:29:17,134 --> 01:29:19,092
between Bubba and those rivals

1706
01:29:19,266 --> 01:29:21,878
who wanted to eliminate Clem
as competition.

1707
01:29:22,052 --> 01:29:24,707
And that there was a conspiracy.
There was a plan.

1708
01:29:24,881 --> 01:29:28,145
And that plan was enacted
to be able to remove Bubba,

1709
01:29:28,319 --> 01:29:30,365
to put Mike Calta
in the morning spot

1710
01:29:30,539 --> 01:29:32,715
and Matt Loyd
in the afternoon drive.

1711
01:29:32,889 --> 01:29:35,065
It's simple.
That's, that's what it was.

1712
01:30:48,094 --> 01:30:50,793
All of that was put in place

1713
01:30:51,446 --> 01:30:55,188
so that they could get
what they wanted,

1714
01:30:55,362 --> 01:30:57,843
and they leveraged, again,
what other people wanted,

1715
01:30:58,017 --> 01:31:00,455
which was
to have Bubba silenced.

1716
01:31:05,198 --> 01:31:07,766
Gloria has been
on this from the beginning.
Read the entire investigation.

1717
01:31:07,940 --> 01:31:10,073
- So, Gloria, what did you learn?
-  I learned a lot.

1718
01:31:10,247 --> 01:31:13,206
But keep in mind, on Friday,
we first reported
that the State Attorney's office

1719
01:31:13,380 --> 01:31:15,121
here in Hillsborough County
decided

1720
01:31:15,295 --> 01:31:17,341
not to file any charges
in this case,

1721
01:31:17,515 --> 01:31:19,909
and some are
really questioning, "Why?"

1722
01:31:20,083 --> 01:31:22,302
In 2012, Davidson tried
to broker a deal

1723
01:31:22,477 --> 01:31:24,740
between Hulk Hogan
and Davidson's client,

1724
01:31:24,914 --> 01:31:26,959
who was trying
to make money off a sex tape

1725
01:31:27,133 --> 01:31:30,354
showing Hogan having sex
with his friend's wife.

1726
01:31:30,528 --> 01:31:32,704
Davidson wrote the confidential
settlement agreement,

1727
01:31:32,878 --> 01:31:35,098
saying the sex video
would be handed over

1728
01:31:35,272 --> 01:31:38,231
if Hogan
paid his client $300,000.

1729
01:31:38,405 --> 01:31:40,538
Hogan's attorney called the FBI.

1730
01:31:40,712 --> 01:31:42,584
So, David Houston says

1731
01:31:43,193 --> 01:31:45,500
that the payment

1732
01:31:45,674 --> 01:31:48,764
to prevent the tapes
from being released

1733
01:31:49,329 --> 01:31:51,288
is because it's damaging stuff,

1734
01:31:51,462 --> 01:31:53,116
and that by executing
these agreements,

1735
01:31:53,290 --> 01:31:54,770
meaning the payment,

1736
01:31:54,944 --> 01:31:56,772
to prevent the tape
from being released...

1737
01:31:57,816 --> 01:32:00,079
...would allow Hulk Hogan
to be-- get control

1738
01:32:00,253 --> 01:32:01,820
of those tapes and the videos.

1739
01:32:01,994 --> 01:32:06,042
It's, it's, it's clear
throughout this conversation

1740
01:32:06,216 --> 01:32:08,523
that the point
is to control the damage.

1741
01:32:08,697 --> 01:32:10,525
The extortion is designed

1742
01:32:10,699 --> 01:32:13,745
to make him pay
to control the damage.

1743
01:32:13,919 --> 01:32:18,010
This is not a legitimate
business transaction
by any means.

1744
01:32:18,184 --> 01:32:20,230
Th-- this involves property
that was stolen

1745
01:32:20,404 --> 01:32:22,406
from, from Bubba Clem,

1746
01:32:22,580 --> 01:32:25,931
property that,
that is humiliating to

1747
01:32:26,105 --> 01:32:28,325
and embarrassing to the people
depicted in the tape.

1748
01:32:28,499 --> 01:32:30,153
Hulk Hogan and Heather Clem.

1749
01:32:30,327 --> 01:32:32,155
It's not what this is.
This is extortion.

1750
01:32:32,329 --> 01:32:33,939
Who released the video
to Gawker?

1751
01:32:34,113 --> 01:32:36,725
And at any point, did you ask
that it be taken down?

1752
01:32:36,899 --> 01:32:39,989
You know, the release
of the video is kind of a long,
complicated story.

1753
01:32:40,163 --> 01:32:44,036
We know it went
from a DJ in Tampa to a fellow

1754
01:32:44,210 --> 01:32:46,212
- by the name of Tony Burton
here in New York...
-  Yeah.

1755
01:32:46,386 --> 01:32:50,216
...who then arranged to get it
to A.J. Daulerio... at Gawker.

1756
01:32:50,390 --> 01:32:53,872
So, nothing good from this
has happened in Bubba's life.

1757
01:32:54,046 --> 01:32:57,006
Since the day of the settlement,
his life has continued

1758
01:32:57,180 --> 01:32:59,878
to go into a downward spiral, unfortunately.

1759
01:33:00,052 --> 01:33:03,708
Telling the truth
in this situation didn't
set you free like they say.

1760
01:33:03,882 --> 01:33:06,929
Tampa police revealed
details of their investigation,

1761
01:33:07,103 --> 01:33:09,192
- and they are explosive.
-  Yeah.

1762
01:33:09,366 --> 01:33:11,368
Detectives say
Matt "Spice Boy" Loyd

1763
01:33:11,542 --> 01:33:14,066
is behind it all.
The former employee

1764
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:16,765
of radio star
Bubba the Love Sponge,
they write,

1765
01:33:16,939 --> 01:33:20,943
quote, "stole several
sex tape DVDs
from Bubba's office."

1766
01:33:21,117 --> 01:33:25,034
Then they say,
"Sold the clip to TMZ to,"
quote, "build interest."

1767
01:33:25,208 --> 01:33:28,646
And despite the feds
having videotapes of it,

1768
01:33:28,820 --> 01:33:32,694
where Hulk Hogan was in a room
next to it and money was being
offered for the tape,

1769
01:33:32,868 --> 01:33:34,478
they don't do anything about it.

1770
01:33:34,652 --> 01:33:37,089
It seems to me that
they've identified the person

1771
01:33:37,263 --> 01:33:39,396
who actually stole the tape.

1772
01:33:39,875 --> 01:33:41,920
Uh, they have,
uh, clear evidence

1773
01:33:42,094 --> 01:33:43,705
of an extortion attempt.

1774
01:33:43,879 --> 01:33:47,186
When you have a case
that's presented to prosecution

1775
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:50,059
that's kind of, uh,
gift-wrapped like this one,

1776
01:33:50,233 --> 01:33:53,279
you would think that they would,
uh, aggressively pursue it.

1777
01:33:53,453 --> 01:33:56,369
So, I'm, I'm at a loss
to explain this one.

1778
01:33:56,543 --> 01:33:59,068
It's offensive.
It makes me so angry

1779
01:33:59,242 --> 01:34:02,332
to the core to this day
that nothing was done

1780
01:34:02,506 --> 01:34:06,336
when you have a case
on a silver platter
served to the prosecutor.

1781
01:34:06,510 --> 01:34:09,818
In a lawsuit, Hulk Hogan
alleges that Calta conspired

1782
01:34:09,992 --> 01:34:11,820
with other Cox employees

1783
01:34:11,994 --> 01:34:13,996
to leak a secretly-recorded
sex video

1784
01:34:14,170 --> 01:34:15,737
with Bubba Clem's wife,

1785
01:34:15,911 --> 01:34:18,174
a video that ruined
the wrestler's career.

1786
01:34:18,348 --> 01:34:22,265
You can still be charged
under the conspiracy statute,

1787
01:34:22,787 --> 01:34:25,268
um, if you're part
of this partnership

1788
01:34:25,442 --> 01:34:27,357
or you're part
of this agreement,

1789
01:34:27,531 --> 01:34:30,186
you're part of, like,
the group that is kind of
working together.

1790
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:33,798
Hillsborough State Attorney
Mark Ober refuses to prosecute.

1791
01:34:33,972 --> 01:34:36,758
Ober says he isn't sure
he can get a conviction.

1792
01:34:40,109 --> 01:34:43,547
But what is strange here is
that there were arrests made.

1793
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:48,334
And so, in my experience, uh,
when the FBI makes arrests,

1794
01:34:48,508 --> 01:34:52,643
it's done in conjunction
with conversations
with the assigned prosecutor.

1795
01:34:53,470 --> 01:34:56,952
And so if the arrests are made,

1796
01:34:57,126 --> 01:34:59,128
but the case
never proceeds to court,

1797
01:34:59,302 --> 01:35:00,999
something happened
in the interim.

1798
01:35:02,435 --> 01:35:06,352
Whenever there were,
uh, big events of other things,

1799
01:35:06,526 --> 01:35:09,399
the telephone calls
and emails between Calta,

1800
01:35:09,573 --> 01:35:12,837
Cox executives and Tony Burton
went up dramatically,

1801
01:35:13,011 --> 01:35:16,711
and they would be
at pursuant to the information
that's out there

1802
01:35:16,885 --> 01:35:18,538
all crazy times.

1803
01:35:18,713 --> 01:35:20,410
Late at night,
early in the morning.

1804
01:35:20,584 --> 01:35:23,848
Clearly, people were aware
of what the plan was.

1805
01:35:24,022 --> 01:35:28,505
I mean, Calta and Cox...
they are the boogeyman.

1806
01:35:28,679 --> 01:35:30,333
They are the bad guys.

1807
01:35:30,507 --> 01:35:32,727
They're-- and they got away
with it scot-free.

1808
01:35:32,901 --> 01:35:36,295
Other than the big paycheck
they had to write Hogan
to go away.

1809
01:35:36,469 --> 01:35:38,515
There was communications
with all of those people.

1810
01:35:38,689 --> 01:35:40,343
Mike Calta, Cox,

1811
01:35:40,517 --> 01:35:43,694
various management of Cox,
uh, Tony Burton.

1812
01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:49,047
And were communicating
about how to manage
that information

1813
01:35:49,221 --> 01:35:52,007
and what the plan was
to do with it

1814
01:35:52,181 --> 01:35:55,271
to get the outcome
that they looked to have.

1815
01:35:55,445 --> 01:35:58,491
Mike Calta's ultimate goal was
to get me thrown off mornings

1816
01:35:58,665 --> 01:36:02,713
on 102.5, The Bone,
because he wanted that job.

1817
01:36:02,887 --> 01:36:05,237
That's the prestigious job
to have,

1818
01:36:05,411 --> 01:36:07,109
uh, and he wanted
to do mornings.

1819
01:36:07,283 --> 01:36:10,982
He could never-- he doesn't have
the talent or the ability

1820
01:36:11,156 --> 01:36:13,898
to get that job on his own,
so he had to take it from me.

1821
01:36:14,072 --> 01:36:15,378
I'm more flabbergasted

1822
01:36:15,552 --> 01:36:18,555
that Mike Calta is still
employed by Cox.

1823
01:36:18,729 --> 01:36:21,906
I mean, I don't understand
how any of these people

1824
01:36:22,385 --> 01:36:28,783
keep their jobs
when they're clearly
brokering stolen... product.

1825
01:36:28,957 --> 01:36:33,526
Yes, TPD, um, did reach out
to me, and they were great.

1826
01:36:33,700 --> 01:36:36,355
The detective on this case,
Detective Schlemmer,

1827
01:36:36,834 --> 01:36:39,489
was just unbelievable.

1828
01:36:39,663 --> 01:36:41,360
There were several attorneys
that went on to say

1829
01:36:41,534 --> 01:36:44,537
that this was one of the most
thorough, wrapped-up cases

1830
01:36:44,711 --> 01:36:47,366
they'd ever seen.
It was gift-wrapped.

1831
01:36:47,540 --> 01:36:51,109
Every T was crossed,
every I was was dot--
was dotted.

1832
01:36:51,283 --> 01:36:55,635
And Detective Schlemmer
just really put a lot of time
and effort into this.

1833
01:36:55,810 --> 01:36:59,074
And he really,
really felt strongly about this.

1834
01:36:59,857 --> 01:37:02,033
I was at the racetrack,
getting the track ready,

1835
01:37:02,207 --> 01:37:04,166
and my, and my phone rings,
and, and he just said,

1836
01:37:04,340 --> 01:37:06,777
"Hey, I, I got,
I got horrible news.

1837
01:37:06,951 --> 01:37:08,823
Um, these cases mean

1838
01:37:08,997 --> 01:37:11,913
as much to me as a detective
as they do to the victims.

1839
01:37:12,087 --> 01:37:15,612
And when I have something
that I feel so strongly about,

1840
01:37:15,786 --> 01:37:19,529
uh, get no process,
or get chucked out
to the weeds, or not taken..."

1841
01:37:19,703 --> 01:37:22,097
He goes, "You know,
I take it seriously too.

1842
01:37:22,271 --> 01:37:25,013
And I've been told by the state
attorney that they're gonna,

1843
01:37:25,187 --> 01:37:28,538
uh, file no charges
on Spice Boy/Matt Loyd.

1844
01:37:28,712 --> 01:37:31,802
Um, and, uh, there's really
nothing you can do about it."

1845
01:37:34,457 --> 01:37:38,330
Mark Ober, the p--
the highest lawman of this area,

1846
01:37:38,504 --> 01:37:40,680
the, the state attorney

1847
01:37:40,855 --> 01:37:43,640
who decides who gets prosecuted,
who doesn't,

1848
01:37:43,814 --> 01:37:46,556
uh, he's the one
that has determined that I,

1849
01:37:46,730 --> 01:37:49,733
at that particular
time and period,
didn't have any rights.

1850
01:37:50,212 --> 01:37:52,040
I don't, I don't,
I don't roll around Tampa

1851
01:37:52,214 --> 01:37:54,303
with the same rights
that the average person does.

1852
01:37:54,477 --> 01:37:57,697
So, yes, my rights in this town
are completely smashed.

1853
01:37:58,263 --> 01:38:00,831
Um, I have no rights
in this town.

1854
01:38:14,192 --> 01:38:17,195
Well, the odds of winning
when you're on trial

1855
01:38:17,369 --> 01:38:20,024
against the local municipality
or the US government,

1856
01:38:20,198 --> 01:38:22,766
you know, uh,
they don't go to trial
unless they're gonna win.

1857
01:38:22,940 --> 01:38:24,550
They have huge percentages.

1858
01:38:24,724 --> 01:38:28,337
I'm 4-0 with jury trials

1859
01:38:28,511 --> 01:38:30,426
because when I get
in front of a jury,

1860
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:33,342
the group of people, my peers
within my community,

1861
01:38:33,516 --> 01:38:35,257
they know how bad
I'm getting fucked with.

1862
01:38:35,431 --> 01:38:37,259
They know this is a shakedown.

1863
01:38:37,433 --> 01:38:40,479
When all the evidence comes out,
they realize, "You know what?

1864
01:38:40,653 --> 01:38:44,440
This is just, this is just
the government fucking
with Bubba the Love sponge."

1865
01:38:44,614 --> 01:38:48,661
Essentially, what happened
is that Brian Albritton

1866
01:38:48,835 --> 01:38:52,404
was the former US Attorney
for the Tampa office.

1867
01:38:53,144 --> 01:38:55,190
And when he left the government,

1868
01:38:55,364 --> 01:38:57,322
uh, he then represented

1869
01:38:57,496 --> 01:39:00,978
Keith Davidson in a pending
federal investigation

1870
01:39:01,152 --> 01:39:04,416
involving the Tampa
US Attorney's Office...

1871
01:39:05,852 --> 01:39:08,725
...which was then leading--
being led by, by Robert O'Neil,

1872
01:39:08,899 --> 01:39:10,770
who, when Brian Albritton

1873
01:39:10,945 --> 01:39:13,599
was the US Attorney,
was his top deputy.

1874
01:39:13,773 --> 01:39:16,776
Okay, so what I'm describing
there is what's called
the revolving door,

1875
01:39:16,951 --> 01:39:18,996
where, where people
leave the government,

1876
01:39:19,170 --> 01:39:20,302
go into private practice,

1877
01:39:20,476 --> 01:39:22,173
but then on the other side,

1878
01:39:22,347 --> 01:39:24,610
engage with their former
government agency.

1879
01:39:24,784 --> 01:39:27,526
And when you have someone
that's been in your seat,

1880
01:39:27,700 --> 01:39:31,226
been a former prosecutor
that understands
the other side too,

1881
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:33,054
and is now gonna
point out to you

1882
01:39:33,228 --> 01:39:35,491
the flaws in your case
that you know exist,

1883
01:39:35,665 --> 01:39:39,190
but when they say it to you,
it amplifies and echoes
in your head and you go,

1884
01:39:39,364 --> 01:39:42,411
"I don't wanna be
publicly embarrassed."

1885
01:39:42,585 --> 01:39:44,717
It's an easy thing also

1886
01:39:44,891 --> 01:39:48,983
when you find that victim
in your mind unsavory.

1887
01:39:50,636 --> 01:39:54,989
Yeah, it's, uh--
any sane-minded person

1888
01:39:55,163 --> 01:39:57,817
will look and see
and say, "Something,

1889
01:39:58,470 --> 01:40:00,342
something ain't right
in the mix."

1890
01:40:00,516 --> 01:40:04,259
One of the best things
that you can do as a defendant

1891
01:40:04,737 --> 01:40:08,132
is to connect with someone
who has the eyes, ears,

1892
01:40:08,306 --> 01:40:12,006
hearts and...  minds
of the prosecuting authority.

1893
01:40:12,484 --> 01:40:15,531
So, when you had a situation
with Keith Davidson...

1894
01:40:16,532 --> 01:40:19,100
...who's not a dumb guy...

1895
01:40:19,622 --> 01:40:20,797
Very savvy.

1896
01:40:21,276 --> 01:40:22,929
Got really good counsel.

1897
01:40:23,495 --> 01:40:26,542
So, if you're going
to look to try to avoid

1898
01:40:26,716 --> 01:40:30,459
a criminal prosecution
in a federal case...

1899
01:40:31,460 --> 01:40:33,201
...who's the best lawyer?

1900
01:40:33,375 --> 01:40:37,683
Who's the best fit
to broker an explanation

1901
01:40:37,857 --> 01:40:41,818
of what happened
to not get indicted?

1902
01:40:42,732 --> 01:40:44,690
Oh, I--  I know.

1903
01:40:44,864 --> 01:40:46,214
The former US Attorney.

1904
01:40:49,478 --> 01:40:51,958
He laid out
a wonderfully written--

1905
01:40:52,133 --> 01:40:57,790
I mean, it was...
50 pages of the background

1906
01:40:57,964 --> 01:41:03,405
of all the dirt and bad problems
that Bubba's had.

1907
01:41:04,101 --> 01:41:06,451
It made him sound someone
that couldn't be trusted.

1908
01:41:06,625 --> 01:41:08,366
The way that he was
able to craft,

1909
01:41:08,540 --> 01:41:11,978
as good lawyers do, that story,

1910
01:41:12,936 --> 01:41:17,680
to a fellow coworker
who's now the US Attorney...

1911
01:41:17,854 --> 01:41:21,379
"Hey, I've been in your shoes.
You want to take a pass on this.

1912
01:41:21,553 --> 01:41:25,427
This is why.
And you can trust me
'cause you and I,

1913
01:41:25,601 --> 01:41:28,299
US Attorney, former US Attorney,
the current US Attorney,

1914
01:41:28,473 --> 01:41:30,084
go back three decades.

1915
01:41:30,736 --> 01:41:32,477
You don't want any of this."

1916
01:41:32,651 --> 01:41:34,871
Now, the state attorney's office
did release a statement to us

1917
01:41:35,045 --> 01:41:38,440
a short time ago, saying,
quote, "We reviewed
the case in great detail.

1918
01:41:38,614 --> 01:41:42,183
The TPD report is only part
of the overall investigation.

1919
01:41:42,357 --> 01:41:44,663
We came to the conclusion
that we had

1920
01:41:44,837 --> 01:41:48,841
no reasonable expectation
of success in prosecution."

1921
01:41:49,015 --> 01:41:52,280
Now, Bubba also reached out
to us earlier today, saying,

1922
01:41:52,454 --> 01:41:55,021
quote, "I think my rights
have been violated,

1923
01:41:55,196 --> 01:41:56,501
but who's gonna listen to me?

1924
01:41:56,675 --> 01:41:59,939
Nobody can fight
the good old boy network."

1925
01:42:05,031 --> 01:42:08,948
And the good old boy network
is just the good old boys.

1926
01:42:09,123 --> 01:42:13,562
The, the state attorney,
and the sheriff, and the mayor,
and the--

1927
01:42:13,736 --> 01:42:17,348
they all meet,
you know, on Friday nights,
uh, down at the Dominoes Club.

1928
01:42:17,522 --> 01:42:22,353
And, uh, you know, this,
this in-- influential,
uh, entrepreneur,

1929
01:42:22,527 --> 01:42:26,357
and this business owner.
And everybody's got an insider

1930
01:42:26,531 --> 01:42:29,839
to people that make, you know,
very important decisions.

1931
01:42:30,013 --> 01:42:32,624
Some of those decisions involve,
you know, whether or not

1932
01:42:32,798 --> 01:42:34,757
to press charges on somebody.

1933
01:42:34,931 --> 01:42:36,498
That's the good old boy network.

1934
01:42:36,672 --> 01:42:40,154
And...
it's a tough network to crack.

1935
01:42:40,719 --> 01:42:42,591
And Bubba's real problem--

1936
01:42:42,765 --> 01:42:45,115
when we get down
to the brass tacks of it all,

1937
01:42:45,289 --> 01:42:49,119
Bubba's real problem was
he's on the public airwaves

1938
01:42:49,293 --> 01:42:53,776
in Tampa, holding local
public officials accountable.

1939
01:42:53,950 --> 01:42:56,605
And lots of different times.

1940
01:42:56,779 --> 01:42:58,476
From the state attorney
and Mark Ober.

1941
01:42:58,650 --> 01:43:01,305
Bubba was a big critic
of Tampa's city council.

1942
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:03,786
He was a big critic
of the mayor's office.

1943
01:43:04,265 --> 01:43:07,181
This is a tale
as old as time itself.

1944
01:43:08,399 --> 01:43:11,620
And if you're on the inside,

1945
01:43:11,794 --> 01:43:13,752
that means, with relationships,

1946
01:43:13,926 --> 01:43:17,016
you get that very important
thing called information.

1947
01:43:17,191 --> 01:43:21,412
You can trade stocks with it.
You can buy land with it.

1948
01:43:21,586 --> 01:43:23,458
You can make
investments with it.

1949
01:43:24,110 --> 01:43:27,026
You can make decisions
to join or not join a company.

1950
01:43:27,592 --> 01:43:29,899
All that comes
from that information,

1951
01:43:30,073 --> 01:43:33,076
and that information is shared
by the people that have it.

1952
01:43:33,250 --> 01:43:37,733
Bubba's career as a disc jockey
has always put him

1953
01:43:37,907 --> 01:43:40,692
on the outside
of the good old boy network.

1954
01:43:40,866 --> 01:43:45,393
Why? Because he's a little bit
like a scorched earth guy.

1955
01:43:45,567 --> 01:43:48,396
Anything in his path
gets burnt to the ground.

1956
01:43:48,570 --> 01:43:51,790
Now, the good news is,
when he's right

1957
01:43:51,964 --> 01:43:55,838
and brings the bright light
of his radio show

1958
01:43:56,012 --> 01:43:58,101
to focus on an injustice,

1959
01:43:58,971 --> 01:44:00,103
it works.

1960
01:44:00,886 --> 01:44:04,760
But along the way, he's got
a wagon full of enemies.

1961
01:44:05,456 --> 01:44:07,589
They're waiting
for him to trip up,

1962
01:44:08,285 --> 01:44:12,202
step out, make a mistake
so they can pounce.

1963
01:44:12,376 --> 01:44:14,900
You know, really,
my problem started

1964
01:44:15,074 --> 01:44:17,468
when I questioned Mark Ober

1965
01:44:17,642 --> 01:44:21,907
in his lack of prosecution,
uh, over, over a couple of kids

1966
01:44:22,081 --> 01:44:23,909
that could have
been charged as adults,

1967
01:44:24,083 --> 01:44:26,477
but he chose
to charge as juveniles.

1968
01:44:26,651 --> 01:44:30,438
So, God forbid that you're
allowed to question anybody.

1969
01:44:30,612 --> 01:44:33,484
And if you question anybody
or anybody powerful enough

1970
01:44:33,658 --> 01:44:36,618
around this
good old boy network town,

1971
01:44:36,792 --> 01:44:39,229
then you just get put
in the bad guy list

1972
01:44:39,403 --> 01:44:41,753
and they fuck with you nonstop.

1973
01:44:41,927 --> 01:44:43,842
And that's where
all of this has started.

1974
01:44:44,016 --> 01:44:45,801
I mean, that's where
the lack of prosecution

1975
01:44:45,975 --> 01:44:48,325
for Calta and Spice Boy started.

1976
01:44:48,499 --> 01:44:51,285
I mean, this whole sex tape.
It-- it's a no-brainer.

1977
01:44:52,764 --> 01:44:54,810
In this case,
you had a US Attorney

1978
01:44:55,289 --> 01:44:57,029
on one criminal charge.

1979
01:44:57,508 --> 01:45:01,817
You had a state attorney
with a long history of dislike.

1980
01:45:20,923 --> 01:45:23,578
Come on, Mark. Mark.

1981
01:45:23,752 --> 01:45:27,582
'Cause he'd literally been
taking body punches by Bubba

1982
01:45:27,756 --> 01:45:32,021
from, from 6:00...
till 10:00 for, for a decade.

1983
01:45:32,935 --> 01:45:35,329
And the problem was,
for him, he knew

1984
01:45:35,503 --> 01:45:38,288
and Bubba knew
that Bubba was right.

1985
01:45:38,462 --> 01:45:41,596
Go after the people
that didn't tape it.

1986
01:45:41,770 --> 01:45:44,860
It's my house. I--
My surveillance system taped it.

1987
01:45:45,034 --> 01:45:46,427
I'm certainly not proud of that.

1988
01:45:46,601 --> 01:45:48,167
I certainly have
some onus in this.

1989
01:45:48,342 --> 01:45:50,300
I certainly got
some skin in this game.

1990
01:45:50,474 --> 01:45:53,956
But how about the people
that stole it
and then shopped it

1991
01:45:54,130 --> 01:45:56,611
for two years for millions
of dollars in Hollywood,

1992
01:45:56,785 --> 01:45:59,831
and then ultimately
actually took Hulk Hogan

1993
01:46:00,005 --> 01:46:03,922
to a hotel room and tried
to shake him down for $300,000?

1994
01:46:04,096 --> 01:46:06,490
How about those people?
Isn't-- It's...

1995
01:46:06,664 --> 01:46:08,449
No, those people
don't get arrested.

1996
01:46:08,623 --> 01:46:10,929
Those people don't--
those people get rewarded.

1997
01:46:11,103 --> 01:46:13,454
Those people get rewarded.

1998
01:46:14,193 --> 01:46:16,935
And if you are going
to live that life,

1999
01:46:17,109 --> 01:46:18,415
if you're gonna be the guy

2000
01:46:18,589 --> 01:46:20,504
who's gonna be
a gotcha journalist,

2001
01:46:21,157 --> 01:46:22,680
you better not make a mistake.

2002
01:46:23,464 --> 01:46:27,163
'Cause when you make
a mistake...

2003
01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:32,255
all the people
that you've shown to be frauds,

2004
01:46:32,429 --> 01:46:34,866
all the people that
you've shown to be incorrect,

2005
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:38,130
all the people, where
you've unearthed corruption...

2006
01:46:39,393 --> 01:46:42,004
As they say, you better be
better than Caesar's wife.

2007
01:46:43,701 --> 01:46:47,444
When Bubba had a misstep...

2008
01:46:47,618 --> 01:46:49,054
it was times 100.

2009
01:46:49,533 --> 01:46:51,230
When Bubba was wronged...

2010
01:46:52,536 --> 01:46:54,016
...no one sent the cavalry.

2011
01:47:04,766 --> 01:47:07,116
"Ye who has the gold
makes the rules."

2012
01:47:07,290 --> 01:47:10,511
You know, they don't
make these things up
because they're not true.

2013
01:47:10,989 --> 01:47:16,647
It's just not surprising at all
to see how people exercise

2014
01:47:16,821 --> 01:47:20,085
their ability,
with power and influence,

2015
01:47:20,259 --> 01:47:24,438
to exercise control
over somebody that they view

2016
01:47:24,612 --> 01:47:28,485
is using their power
and control against them.

2017
01:47:29,486 --> 01:47:31,009
It's human nature.

2018
01:47:31,183 --> 01:47:33,229
As prosecutors too,

2019
01:47:33,403 --> 01:47:35,840
you're always trying
to look at an angle.

2020
01:47:36,014 --> 01:47:38,234
How can you get some leverage?

2021
01:47:38,713 --> 01:47:43,457
2017, they're looking to get
Donald Trump for anything.

2022
01:47:44,022 --> 01:47:46,590
So, what they did was they,
they go to Keith Davidson.

2023
01:47:46,764 --> 01:47:48,679
These payments come up
in the press,

2024
01:47:48,853 --> 01:47:51,813
with Storm-- Stormy Daniels,
Karen McDougal,

2025
01:47:52,422 --> 01:47:55,294
and they see
the name Keith Davidson.
They look and they say,

2026
01:47:55,469 --> 01:47:58,515
"We've got a nol-pros
on this guy
from an extortion case."

2027
01:47:58,689 --> 01:48:01,431
And the statute
of limitations is ten years.
How does it even run?

2028
01:48:01,997 --> 01:48:04,521
We can go back
and leverage this and say,

2029
01:48:04,695 --> 01:48:06,480
"Hey, here's your two choices.

2030
01:48:06,654 --> 01:48:09,308
You can give us Michael Cohen,
or you can go to Leavenworth."

2031
01:48:09,787 --> 01:48:11,572
For extorting Hulk Hogan.

2032
01:48:12,311 --> 01:48:16,011
When Keith Davidson
was arrested in Tampa,

2033
01:48:16,968 --> 01:48:19,754
when they didn't charge him,
when a period of--

2034
01:48:19,928 --> 01:48:22,452
uh, the statute of limitations
was open.

2035
01:48:23,671 --> 01:48:27,762
Does it make sense
that someone comes back to him

2036
01:48:28,284 --> 01:48:29,938
to say, "You know what?"

2037
01:48:30,504 --> 01:48:33,550
And then he gets involved
with you know who

2038
01:48:34,116 --> 01:48:36,074
to get where they needed to go

2039
01:48:36,248 --> 01:48:38,860
by using pressure that's used

2040
01:48:39,034 --> 01:48:42,603
every day in any town in USA
on criminal defendants

2041
01:48:42,777 --> 01:48:44,518
so the prosecuting authority

2042
01:48:44,692 --> 01:48:48,347
can get a conviction
through cooperation.

2043
01:48:49,261 --> 01:48:51,829
Asha, you heard the president.
He is angry.

2044
01:48:52,003 --> 01:48:54,876
CNN is reporting the raids
on Michael Cohen's hotel room,
his office.

2045
01:48:55,050 --> 01:48:58,053
The Wall Street Journal
is reporting a raid
at one of his homes as well.

2046
01:48:58,227 --> 01:49:02,405
Because they're trying
to get their head around
how did defendant Cohen--

2047
01:49:02,579 --> 01:49:05,234
how did he get to where he was?

2048
01:49:05,408 --> 01:49:07,976
How did they get
his cooperation?

2049
01:49:08,150 --> 01:49:10,369
What "leverage" did they have?

2050
01:49:11,283 --> 01:49:14,678
This would've been executed
pursuant to a search warrant,

2051
01:49:14,852 --> 01:49:19,378
which means that the FBI
obtained permission from a judge

2052
01:49:19,553 --> 01:49:21,555
to enter these facilities.

2053
01:49:21,729 --> 01:49:23,992
They would have had
to show probable cause

2054
01:49:24,166 --> 01:49:28,605
that in these locations
and in specified places,
documents, devices,

2055
01:49:28,779 --> 01:49:31,347
they were going
to find evidence of a crime.

2056
01:49:31,521 --> 01:49:34,872
It's interesting,
you start pulling on that,
on that string, on that thread,

2057
01:49:35,046 --> 01:49:38,441
and it takes you
from the DC area

2058
01:49:39,094 --> 01:49:42,532
to the Tampa Bay area,
and there's a big question mark.

2059
01:49:43,141 --> 01:49:47,624
We have learned
the FBI seized voice recordings
made by Michael Cohen

2060
01:49:47,798 --> 01:49:50,975
of his conversations,
at least some
of his conversation,

2061
01:49:51,149 --> 01:49:52,934
with attorney Keith Davidson.

2062
01:49:53,108 --> 01:49:55,632
Remember that
four of the five cases

2063
01:49:55,806 --> 01:49:59,593
that you just learned about,
well, they involve, of course,

2064
01:49:59,767 --> 01:50:02,247
- or at least are connected
to, Donald Trump.
- Yeah.

2065
01:50:02,421 --> 01:50:05,207
How did Keith Davidson
become a corroborating witness?

2066
01:50:05,381 --> 01:50:08,906
Why is his name redacted
on other court filings?

2067
01:50:09,428 --> 01:50:11,082
Why is he walking free?

2068
01:50:11,605 --> 01:50:13,737
Why did other people
get charged?

2069
01:50:13,911 --> 01:50:15,521
How did that lead
to the former president?

2070
01:50:27,664 --> 01:50:30,449
You can always tell
when Michael Cohen is lying.
You know how?

2071
01:50:30,972 --> 01:50:32,495
His lips are moving.

2072
01:50:59,304 --> 01:51:03,918
A lot of people
in Trump world could not
get their head around the fact

2073
01:51:04,092 --> 01:51:07,617
that Michael Cohen, who was
a devout Trump supporter,

2074
01:51:07,791 --> 01:51:11,882
someone that Trump leaned on,
someone that was really
a right-hand man,

2075
01:51:12,056 --> 01:51:14,711
someone that was able--
to have his back...

2076
01:51:15,712 --> 01:51:17,148
...for a long time.

2077
01:51:19,281 --> 01:51:21,805
Everybody--
you know, you go online,
you go to these chat rooms

2078
01:51:21,979 --> 01:51:24,460
and you go, "Who got to Cohen?

2079
01:51:25,417 --> 01:51:27,724
How did they get to Cohen?"
You know, who is "they"?

2080
01:51:27,898 --> 01:51:31,249
We don't know who "they" is
other than there is sort of

2081
01:51:31,423 --> 01:51:34,731
out in the ether that,
how do you take a loyalist...

2082
01:51:35,819 --> 01:51:37,168
how do you flip 'em?

2083
01:51:37,952 --> 01:51:40,432
Uh, I think the FBI was probably
looking at Michael Cohen

2084
01:51:40,606 --> 01:51:43,000
to find any potential crime

2085
01:51:43,174 --> 01:51:46,003
that they could then use
to leverage against him

2086
01:51:46,177 --> 01:51:49,137
to get him
to make false testimony
against Donald Trump.

2087
01:51:49,311 --> 01:51:51,617
Their ultimate goal
was never Michael Cohen.

2088
01:51:51,792 --> 01:51:55,970
They just correctly identified
him as the, as the weak reed,

2089
01:51:56,144 --> 01:51:57,754
somebody who could be flipped.

2090
01:51:57,928 --> 01:51:59,408
And of course they were right.

2091
01:51:59,887 --> 01:52:02,933
And then you go back
to Keith Davidson and you go,

2092
01:52:03,107 --> 01:52:05,936
"Well, what was Keith Davidson's
relationship to Cohen

2093
01:52:06,110 --> 01:52:07,764
and how long
did they know each other?"

2094
01:52:07,938 --> 01:52:11,550
And then you go back
to our little case

2095
01:52:12,247 --> 01:52:15,380
in Tampa, Florida,
and you go, "I remember

2096
01:52:15,554 --> 01:52:20,516
when Keith Davidson
was arrested.
What was he arrested for?"

2097
01:52:20,690 --> 01:52:25,173
"Oh, that was connection
to a videotape
between Hulk Hogan,

2098
01:52:25,347 --> 01:52:28,785
the most famous wrestler
in the history of the world."

2099
01:52:32,093 --> 01:52:33,747
The non-prosecution
of Keith Davidson

2100
01:52:33,921 --> 01:52:37,054
and his other co-conspirators...

2101
01:52:37,228 --> 01:52:40,841
...is a great, huge of--
stroke of luck
for the federal government

2102
01:52:41,015 --> 01:52:44,018
because they have this
in their back pocket
to use as leverage

2103
01:52:44,192 --> 01:52:47,238
against Keith Davidson
to flip on Michael Cohen

2104
01:52:47,761 --> 01:52:49,501
l-- later down the line.

2105
01:52:50,154 --> 01:52:52,983
The way that they operate
is to just hold that
in their back pocket,

2106
01:52:53,157 --> 01:52:56,073
because, maybe, one,
they'll need it-- they'll need
to use it against you,

2107
01:52:56,247 --> 01:52:59,424
or as a, as a lever,
but maybe they won't.

2108
01:52:59,598 --> 01:53:00,991
And this time, they needed it.

2109
01:53:01,165 --> 01:53:03,167
And I, and I think,
on some level,

2110
01:53:03,341 --> 01:53:04,865
that the US
Attorney's Office figured

2111
01:53:05,039 --> 01:53:06,518
that this guy
who's been involved

2112
01:53:06,692 --> 01:53:09,434
in the edges
of legal activity...

2113
01:53:09,608 --> 01:53:11,915
"I think that holding this
prosecution in our back pocket

2114
01:53:12,089 --> 01:53:15,571
might end up bearing fruit,"
which it did, in spades.

2115
01:53:15,745 --> 01:53:18,226
Keith Davidson,
former attorney for two women

2116
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:21,664
who were paid to keep quiet
about their alleged affairs
with Donald Trump,

2117
01:53:21,838 --> 01:53:24,667
is cooperating
with federal authorities

2118
01:53:24,841 --> 01:53:27,235
who are investigating
Trump attorney Michael Cohen.

2119
01:53:27,409 --> 01:53:29,280
Davidson has been asked
by prosecutors

2120
01:53:29,454 --> 01:53:30,673
in the Southern District
of New York

2121
01:53:30,847 --> 01:53:33,458
to provide
electronic information.

2122
01:53:33,632 --> 01:53:36,157
According to his spokesman,
quote, "He has done so

2123
01:53:36,331 --> 01:53:39,421
and will continue to co-operate
to the fullest extent possible

2124
01:53:39,595 --> 01:53:40,814
under the law."

2125
01:53:41,858 --> 01:53:43,904
When lawyers have lawyers,
it's bad.

2126
01:53:44,078 --> 01:53:47,908
When lawyers have lawyers
who have spokesmen...

2127
01:53:49,083 --> 01:53:50,693
...go ahead
and set yourself on fire.

2128
01:53:50,867 --> 01:53:53,087
Uh, I think it's very apparent
from the indictment

2129
01:53:53,261 --> 01:53:55,002
that Cohen flipped on Trump,

2130
01:53:55,176 --> 01:53:57,091
because the government
had the goods on him

2131
01:53:57,265 --> 01:53:58,875
in terms of multiple crimes,

2132
01:53:59,049 --> 01:54:01,138
including crimes connected to,

2133
01:54:01,312 --> 01:54:03,749
uh, the financing
of his taxicab business

2134
01:54:03,924 --> 01:54:06,274
and other tax-related crimes.

2135
01:54:06,448 --> 01:54:08,580
And they leveraged them
against Cohen to get him

2136
01:54:08,754 --> 01:54:11,888
to flip on Trump
and try to save his own hide.

2137
01:54:12,410 --> 01:54:15,196
How did Keith Davidson
become a corroborating witness?

2138
01:54:15,370 --> 01:54:18,677
Why is his name redacted
on other court filings?

2139
01:54:34,650 --> 01:54:36,217
Why is he walking free?

2140
01:54:36,826 --> 01:54:38,915
Why did other people
get charged?

2141
01:54:39,089 --> 01:54:41,091
How did that lead
to the former president?

2142
01:54:44,878 --> 01:54:47,750
You know, it's dog-eat-dog.

2143
01:54:47,924 --> 01:54:50,884
You know,
it's survival of the fittest.

2144
01:54:51,058 --> 01:54:55,236
You know, we see it in,
you know, politics today.

2145
01:54:55,410 --> 01:54:59,457
You know, people are utilizing
their control and influence

2146
01:54:59,631 --> 01:55:02,721
to affect people
that aren't in line

2147
01:55:02,896 --> 01:55:05,942
with what they want
to control or influence.

2148
01:55:06,551 --> 01:55:08,336
A lot of people are surprised
when I tell them

2149
01:55:08,510 --> 01:55:10,816
as I lecture around the country,

2150
01:55:10,991 --> 01:55:15,038
and I say
that cops can lie to you.

2151
01:55:15,212 --> 01:55:18,389
Some people in public believe,
if you think it's
an undercover cop

2152
01:55:18,563 --> 01:55:21,001
and you're in some sort
of drug deal, that if you say,

2153
01:55:21,175 --> 01:55:23,786
"Are you an undercover cop?",
the cop has to tell you
that they are.

2154
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:26,571
"Oh, you got me."
Well, that's not true.

2155
01:55:27,833 --> 01:55:29,879
And there have been books

2156
01:55:30,053 --> 01:55:33,665
and, and, and thousands
of court decisions

2157
01:55:33,839 --> 01:55:37,060
that have allowed
law enforcement officers

2158
01:55:37,234 --> 01:55:41,282
to be dishonest with
potential criminal defendants

2159
01:55:41,456 --> 01:55:43,197
to get them to confess.

2160
01:55:43,806 --> 01:55:45,199
There's a limit to that.

2161
01:55:46,504 --> 01:55:49,812
But we, as Americans, go,
"Well, we kind of like it

2162
01:55:49,986 --> 01:55:51,292
when our streets are safe."

2163
01:55:51,466 --> 01:55:54,121
And we'll give them more tools

2164
01:55:54,295 --> 01:55:55,905
to make sure that we're safe.

2165
01:55:57,428 --> 01:56:01,345
All that's well and good
until someone knocks
on your door

2166
01:56:02,259 --> 01:56:06,176
or comes to your house
in Palm Beach with flashbangs
at 3:00 in the morning

2167
01:56:06,350 --> 01:56:09,484
with 25 FBI
on the back of their back

2168
01:56:09,658 --> 01:56:12,356
to arrest a 70-year-old,
Roger Stone.

2169
01:56:16,012 --> 01:56:18,972
Many times,
the person who is the subject

2170
01:56:19,146 --> 01:56:21,975
of a criminal investigation...
You say, "How is this--

2171
01:56:22,149 --> 01:56:24,716
There's no way
this person would ever flip.

2172
01:56:24,890 --> 01:56:26,457
They'd never testify
against anybody else.

2173
01:56:26,631 --> 01:56:28,677
They'd, they'd never confess."

2174
01:56:29,199 --> 01:56:32,724
But if you look at it,
it's usually all--

2175
01:56:32,898 --> 01:56:34,248
It goes, it goes back
to one thing,

2176
01:56:34,422 --> 01:56:35,771
and that is pressure.

2177
01:56:36,511 --> 01:56:37,686
What kind of pressure?

2178
01:56:38,556 --> 01:56:40,297
Relentless questioning.

2179
01:56:41,646 --> 01:56:43,561
Pushing a picture of a victim
in front of someone

2180
01:56:43,735 --> 01:56:47,174
who's accused of kidnaping
to get them to break down.

2181
01:56:48,349 --> 01:56:50,090
Telling them
that their best friend

2182
01:56:50,264 --> 01:56:52,831
is in the next room,
singing like a canary,

2183
01:56:53,006 --> 01:56:55,965
implicating them,
even when it's not happening.

2184
01:56:57,271 --> 01:57:01,144
No one can explain
what it's like to be,
or how they're gonna react

2185
01:57:01,318 --> 01:57:05,670
until they're in that seat,
with that bright light.

2186
01:57:06,454 --> 01:57:09,152
Until they realize
the full weight
of the US government

2187
01:57:09,326 --> 01:57:11,589
or the state government,
or wherever you are,

2188
01:57:11,763 --> 01:57:15,071
upon that criminal defendant,
using whatever pressure

2189
01:57:15,245 --> 01:57:17,508
that they can get
their hands on...

2190
01:57:18,814 --> 01:57:20,424
...whether it's true
or not true.

2191
01:57:22,165 --> 01:57:26,387
The whole idea is to get
a criminal conviction,

2192
01:57:26,865 --> 01:57:29,781
and we've seen
a whole lot of convictions
connected to this case.

2193
01:57:29,955 --> 01:57:34,656
And more importantly,
we've seen pressure applied

2194
01:57:34,830 --> 01:57:39,008
to convict
and pressure not to file.

2195
01:57:39,965 --> 01:57:42,664
And if you look closely at that,
it comes back

2196
01:57:42,838 --> 01:57:46,711
to who's on the inside
and who's on the outside.

2197
01:57:47,277 --> 01:57:49,279
But they had
to get Donald Trump.

2198
01:57:49,453 --> 01:57:52,108
So, the next step
was Michael Cohen.

2199
01:57:52,282 --> 01:57:55,372
S-- Pressure Cohen to flip
on Trump and see
what you could find.

2200
01:57:55,546 --> 01:57:58,854
It was a fishing expedition,
but it was a fishing expedition

2201
01:57:59,028 --> 01:58:02,162
that was only made possible
by Keith Davidson.

2202
01:58:02,336 --> 01:58:05,643
He tipped them as
to the potential value of Cohen,

2203
01:58:05,817 --> 01:58:08,559
uh, and then he basically
traded them Cohen

2204
01:58:08,733 --> 01:58:10,170
to get off the hook himself.

2205
01:58:10,344 --> 01:58:12,085
Now, suddenly
he's no longer on indictment.

2206
01:58:12,259 --> 01:58:14,696
Now, suddenly he's a witness
in that case.

2207
01:58:14,870 --> 01:58:16,437
How convenient.

2208
01:58:25,968 --> 01:58:28,144
He was his own man.
He was like an island.

2209
01:58:28,318 --> 01:58:30,973
But nobody liked him
in the system.

2210
01:58:31,147 --> 01:58:32,714
There's some people,
uh, the things they've done--

2211
01:58:32,888 --> 01:58:35,717
Uh, people have done
some outrageous things in this,

2212
01:58:35,891 --> 01:58:39,764
in this market, in, in radio,
but nothing ever came of that.

2213
01:58:39,938 --> 01:58:42,550
But the fact
of the matter is the tape

2214
01:58:43,333 --> 01:58:47,424
being marketed and sold,
and the FBI is involved,

2215
01:58:47,598 --> 01:58:50,166
and this and that,
and conversations recorded,

2216
01:58:50,340 --> 01:58:52,951
and nothing happened.

2217
01:58:53,561 --> 01:58:55,780
It's like, I, I...
I don't get it.

2218
01:58:55,954 --> 01:58:58,392
You don't have a more solid case
than that to prosecute,

2219
01:58:58,566 --> 01:59:00,829
but, you know,
it just never happened
because I believe

2220
01:59:01,003 --> 01:59:04,093
it was his personality
and who he was.

2221
01:59:04,267 --> 01:59:06,617
This week,
Hogan's attorney asked a judge

2222
01:59:06,791 --> 01:59:09,316
for more than three years' worth
of Calta's phone records

2223
01:59:09,490 --> 01:59:11,796
to prove he was behind the leak.

2224
01:59:11,970 --> 01:59:15,757
It coincided with these two--
uh, with Cox and Mr. Calta

2225
01:59:15,931 --> 01:59:18,499
being involved in a radio war
with Bubba Clem.

2226
01:59:18,673 --> 01:59:20,153
According to the lawsuit,

2227
01:59:20,327 --> 01:59:22,633
Calta conspired
with Matt "Spice Boy" Loyd

2228
01:59:22,807 --> 01:59:24,374
to leak the sex video

2229
01:59:24,548 --> 01:59:27,160
as revenge to rival
shock jock Bubba Clem,

2230
01:59:27,334 --> 01:59:29,727
who was Hogan's best friend
at the time.

2231
01:59:29,901 --> 01:59:32,208
I, I think that
what happened with Bubba

2232
01:59:32,382 --> 01:59:37,431
and with the employees
of Bubba doing the things
that they did...

2233
01:59:37,605 --> 01:59:40,738
Um, you know, you hire
and you bring people in
around you

2234
01:59:40,912 --> 01:59:43,176
that you feel you can trust.

2235
01:59:43,350 --> 01:59:47,310
And that was one of the things
that in the Howard world,

2236
01:59:47,484 --> 01:59:50,444
we all trusted each other,
and we believed in each other

2237
01:59:50,618 --> 01:59:52,359
and had each other's back.

2238
01:59:52,533 --> 01:59:55,753
And for someone to do that
to Bubba, that was close to him,

2239
01:59:55,927 --> 01:59:59,279
that was taking a paycheck
from Bubba on a weekly basis,

2240
01:59:59,453 --> 02:00:01,324
that's just underhanded.

2241
02:00:01,498 --> 02:00:02,934
It's just disgusting.

2242
02:00:03,500 --> 02:00:05,720
Whether you agree with it
or disagree with it,

2243
02:00:06,547 --> 02:00:10,464
what Bubba and his wife do

2244
02:00:10,638 --> 02:00:12,857
inside the confines
of their own home,

2245
02:00:13,031 --> 02:00:14,903
to each their own, you know.

2246
02:00:15,077 --> 02:00:18,689
But for him to be persecuted

2247
02:00:18,863 --> 02:00:23,694
by the public at large
for the attempted sale

2248
02:00:23,868 --> 02:00:25,957
and distribution of this tape...

2249
02:00:27,307 --> 02:00:29,134
...is unbelievable to me.

2250
02:00:29,309 --> 02:00:31,398
When the amount of evidence
that's out there...

2251
02:00:31,572 --> 02:00:34,009
And again, you don't have
to take my word for it.

2252
02:00:34,183 --> 02:00:36,054
You don't have
to take Bubba's word for it.

2253
02:00:36,707 --> 02:00:40,320
It's a matter of fact.
It's not disputed.

2254
02:00:40,494 --> 02:00:43,018
This is not whether
the Earth is flat or not.

2255
02:00:43,192 --> 02:00:45,716
The tape was stolen. Period.

2256
02:00:46,587 --> 02:00:49,154
We knew who the thief was.
That was uncontroverted.

2257
02:00:49,329 --> 02:00:51,244
On tape. Videotape.

2258
02:00:51,418 --> 02:00:53,115
But now the question became

2259
02:00:53,289 --> 02:00:56,553
going back to that gnawing term
"discretion."

2260
02:00:57,119 --> 02:01:01,776
Now, it was that string,
that thread that got pulled,

2261
02:01:01,950 --> 02:01:04,692
that basically changed
the course

2262
02:01:05,432 --> 02:01:09,087
in Terry's life...
and Bubba's life.

2263
02:01:09,697 --> 02:01:12,047
Made a lot of people
a lot of money,
including their lawyers.

2264
02:01:12,830 --> 02:01:16,399
And went sensational,
as far as trials go.

2265
02:01:16,878 --> 02:01:20,751
And Mark Ober used
that discretion
to make the decision

2266
02:01:20,925 --> 02:01:23,450
that no one
really could object to

2267
02:01:23,928 --> 02:01:25,843
other than vote them
out of office.

2268
02:01:26,017 --> 02:01:27,367
Which did happen, by the way.

2269
02:01:28,585 --> 02:01:30,152
But in Bubba's case,

2270
02:01:30,979 --> 02:01:34,722
Mark Ober's memory was strong,
and he never forgot.

2271
02:01:40,249 --> 02:01:43,513
For a long time,
I thought it was Heather,

2272
02:01:44,166 --> 02:01:46,473
um, because she would've been
the one that had access to it.

2273
02:01:46,647 --> 02:01:49,040
It was, you know, Occam's razor.
It was the most easy,

2274
02:01:49,214 --> 02:01:51,173
obvious answer,
is the right answer.

2275
02:01:51,695 --> 02:01:53,784
But it wasn't. It was,
it was Spice that stole it.

2276
02:01:53,958 --> 02:01:55,699
And, and I remember
Bubba called me to his office

2277
02:01:55,873 --> 02:01:57,484
and he was like,
"Yeah, I think...

2278
02:01:57,658 --> 02:01:59,877
I think I've tru-- trusted
the wrong person here."

2279
02:02:00,487 --> 02:02:02,967
And it was--
and he-- Bubba told me

2280
02:02:03,141 --> 02:02:05,492
that he had found out
that it was Spice
that took the tape.

2281
02:02:05,666 --> 02:02:08,059
And I was like, "Wow."

2282
02:02:08,233 --> 02:02:10,235
I mean, I was stunned.

2283
02:02:10,410 --> 02:02:13,717
I knew Spice had
hatred and vitriol in him,

2284
02:02:13,891 --> 02:02:16,546
but I didn't...
I also know that,

2285
02:02:16,720 --> 02:02:20,942
that Matt "Spice Boy" Loyd
values his freedom

2286
02:02:21,116 --> 02:02:22,726
and being out of jail,

2287
02:02:22,900 --> 02:02:24,641
and I didn't think
that he would risk

2288
02:02:24,815 --> 02:02:26,817
going to jail
just to get revenge on Bubba.

2289
02:02:26,991 --> 02:02:28,384
But I was even wrong
on that one.

2290
02:02:28,558 --> 02:02:30,038
Like, the, the depths
that he would go to,

2291
02:02:30,212 --> 02:02:31,561
I just didn't--
I didn't realize.

2292
02:02:31,735 --> 02:02:34,782
Spice Boy
always had this saying,

2293
02:02:34,956 --> 02:02:38,916
"The best revenge is revenge."

2294
02:02:39,743 --> 02:02:41,702
That's the type of person
he was,

2295
02:02:41,876 --> 02:02:44,966
and he never let it go.

2296
02:02:45,140 --> 02:02:48,230
Like, if he--
you, you did him wrong,

2297
02:02:48,404 --> 02:02:51,625
if he got a chance
six or seven years later,
guess what?

2298
02:02:51,799 --> 02:02:57,718
Bubba is the victim. Uh...
not a pure victim, but a victim.

2299
02:02:58,371 --> 02:03:02,244
And now the US Attorney
and the state attorney

2300
02:03:02,418 --> 02:03:05,769
are getting talked,
you know, talked in their ear,

2301
02:03:05,943 --> 02:03:08,859
and they realize
that it was easier for them

2302
02:03:09,033 --> 02:03:10,687
to listen to their former buddy,

2303
02:03:10,861 --> 02:03:12,559
their former coworker,

2304
02:03:12,733 --> 02:03:15,039
on a case that wasn't
gonna change the world,

2305
02:03:15,910 --> 02:03:18,869
on a case
that they didn't want to have
the public scrutiny on,

2306
02:03:19,043 --> 02:03:21,002
and it just didn't
matter to them.

2307
02:03:21,176 --> 02:03:23,874
It was an easy decision
to just press that button,

2308
02:03:24,048 --> 02:03:25,963
or in this case,
sign that signature.

2309
02:03:26,137 --> 02:03:29,097
No true bill, no information.
Case closed.

2310
02:03:32,448 --> 02:03:34,624
Look, I don't think
there's any question whatsoever

2311
02:03:34,798 --> 02:03:38,759
that Bubba Clem was targeted,
um, because he's controversial.

2312
02:03:38,933 --> 02:03:41,718
And he's controversial
because he tells you
what he really thinks.

2313
02:03:41,892 --> 02:03:43,503
And that's not
always politically correct.

2314
02:03:43,677 --> 02:03:46,462
So, he's
a very polarizing figure.

2315
02:03:46,636 --> 02:03:50,423
He's not beloved by the,
by the extreme left

2316
02:03:50,597 --> 02:03:52,076
or those
who are politically correct.

2317
02:03:52,250 --> 02:03:53,556
So, yeah, there's no question

2318
02:03:53,730 --> 02:03:55,297
in my mind
that he's been targeted.

2319
02:03:55,471 --> 02:03:57,081
And like me,
he was treated differently,

2320
02:03:57,255 --> 02:03:59,780
like Donald Trump,
like General Flynn.

2321
02:03:59,954 --> 02:04:03,261
But what has happened,
though, is the people in power,

2322
02:04:04,045 --> 02:04:05,655
both in the radio industry,

2323
02:04:06,656 --> 02:04:09,833
both in the criminal
justice world,

2324
02:04:10,660 --> 02:04:15,186
have fought to keep him down
because he,

2325
02:04:15,970 --> 02:04:18,146
to them, is a thorn in the side.

2326
02:04:18,625 --> 02:04:20,191
He threatens their order.

2327
02:04:20,365 --> 02:04:23,934
He threatens their
"view of how things should be."

2328
02:04:25,283 --> 02:04:30,506
Former President Trump clearly
ruffled a lot of feathers.

2329
02:04:30,985 --> 02:04:34,118
For a federal judge
to give you a warrant

2330
02:04:34,292 --> 02:04:36,599
for somebody's
attorney's office?

2331
02:04:36,773 --> 02:04:38,079
Not, not against you,

2332
02:04:38,253 --> 02:04:40,081
but somebody's
attorney's office?

2333
02:04:40,255 --> 02:04:44,564
To go look at what would be
privileged material, obviously.

2334
02:04:44,738 --> 02:04:46,522
For a federal judge
to grant you that warrant,

2335
02:04:46,696 --> 02:04:51,745
you would have a-- have to have
a first-person co-conspirator

2336
02:04:51,919 --> 02:04:55,052
as a cooperating witness.
And that's what they had.

2337
02:04:55,226 --> 02:04:57,228
And that's why he was
so willing to give that up.

2338
02:04:57,402 --> 02:04:59,927
Keith Davidson's not a dumb man.
He's not gonna give the,

2339
02:05:00,101 --> 02:05:02,451
the feds nothing
without leverage
and without getting a deal.

2340
02:05:02,625 --> 02:05:06,150
And he got both.
They leveraged him
into giving them Cohen.

2341
02:05:06,324 --> 02:05:09,153
And he got a deal for doing it,
which is a complete walk.

2342
02:05:09,327 --> 02:05:11,808
And he kept his bar--
his law license.

2343
02:05:13,723 --> 02:05:17,031
But when you're not
part of that inner circle

2344
02:05:17,205 --> 02:05:20,425
that came up like that,
you make enemies.

2345
02:05:21,383 --> 02:05:23,254
Many have said,

2346
02:05:23,428 --> 02:05:27,215
"Look at where we are
right now in 2024,

2347
02:05:27,781 --> 02:05:31,393
with the number
of criminal prosecutions

2348
02:05:31,567 --> 02:05:33,569
against a former president."

2349
02:05:34,309 --> 02:05:35,440
How does that end?

2350
02:05:39,183 --> 02:05:43,927
We've got a verdict, Ari Melber.
- Count 33 and 34.

2351
02:05:44,101 --> 02:05:46,539
Guilty. Uh, that is
Donald J. Trump, defendant,

2352
02:05:46,713 --> 02:05:48,497
in New York v. Donald Trump...

2353
02:05:48,671 --> 02:05:52,545
Found guilty
on all 34 felony counts.

2354
02:05:52,719 --> 02:05:55,156
Uh, that is the verdict here
in this case.

2355
02:05:59,116 --> 02:06:03,338
Bubba had run-ins.
And, you know,
this is still America.

2356
02:06:03,512 --> 02:06:05,296
You still have
freedom of speech,

2357
02:06:05,470 --> 02:06:07,647
as far as opinions
and things of that nature.

2358
02:06:07,821 --> 02:06:09,474
And he's had run-ins
with state attorneys...

2359
02:06:09,649 --> 02:06:12,652
...with other local politicians
and things of that nature.

2360
02:06:12,826 --> 02:06:15,524
And he's not one to hold back...

2361
02:06:16,743 --> 02:06:20,921
...when exposing something
that he thinks is wrong

2362
02:06:21,095 --> 02:06:22,879
and has facts to back it up.

2363
02:06:23,401 --> 02:06:25,665
He just lets loose.
He's unfiltered.

2364
02:06:25,839 --> 02:06:27,667
That's what he is.
He's totally unfiltered.

2365
02:06:27,841 --> 02:06:32,454
And that goes against the tide
in politics locally here.

2366
02:06:32,628 --> 02:06:34,543
They just-- You know, when
you get caught with the truth,

2367
02:06:34,717 --> 02:06:36,458
the truth is the truth.
You can't hide from it.

2368
02:06:37,415 --> 02:06:38,852
What I've learned is...

2369
02:06:39,983 --> 02:06:41,811
...uh,
you can't fight City Hall.

2370
02:06:41,985 --> 02:06:43,987
And don't go
against the government,

2371
02:06:44,161 --> 02:06:46,729
and don't go
against huge corporations
because they will crush you.

2372
02:06:47,338 --> 02:06:50,167
It's possible
that what happened is

2373
02:06:50,341 --> 02:06:53,649
some or all of the defendants
decided to cooperate
with the government,

2374
02:06:53,823 --> 02:06:57,131
to assist them with
the prosecution of other people,

2375
02:06:57,305 --> 02:07:01,091
to provide information
that's useful
to the government investigators

2376
02:07:02,179 --> 02:07:04,486
as a way to earn leniency.

2377
02:07:05,313 --> 02:07:08,446
Now, leniency
as a result of cooperation

2378
02:07:08,621 --> 02:07:10,535
can reduce
in a reduced sentence.

2379
02:07:11,101 --> 02:07:12,668
And in some cases, it can,

2380
02:07:13,321 --> 02:07:15,932
it can mean that you never
are charged in the first place.

2381
02:07:16,106 --> 02:07:18,326
You can do things that are
criminal-- criminally wrong.

2382
02:07:18,500 --> 02:07:21,198
You can do things
that are ethically wrong.

2383
02:07:21,372 --> 02:07:22,635
You can do things
that are morally wrong.

2384
02:07:22,809 --> 02:07:24,201
I believe
that what happened here,

2385
02:07:24,375 --> 02:07:26,682
it, it was wrong
on all three counts.

2386
02:07:26,856 --> 02:07:28,597
I've always been
brought up to believe

2387
02:07:28,771 --> 02:07:31,208
that a friend is a friend.

2388
02:07:31,731 --> 02:07:33,820
Loyalty is loyalty.

2389
02:07:34,472 --> 02:07:37,127
And, uh, through thick and thin,
not in good times.

2390
02:07:37,301 --> 02:07:38,999
And then you take off in bad.

2391
02:07:39,173 --> 02:07:41,001
And I've been friends
with him for over 20 years

2392
02:07:41,175 --> 02:07:42,567
and would never change that.

2393
02:07:42,742 --> 02:07:45,832
Now, other people
that are competing with him

2394
02:07:46,006 --> 02:07:49,009
may not like that, but...
I don't give a damn.

2395
02:07:52,577 --> 02:07:54,492
I think, when it's all
said and done

2396
02:07:54,667 --> 02:07:58,409
and you look back at his career
20 or 30 years from now,

2397
02:07:58,583 --> 02:08:01,499
you'd go,
"Man, that guy was right.

2398
02:08:02,239 --> 02:08:03,458
Hard to believe."

2399
02:08:04,502 --> 02:08:06,330
I wish I would have
listened more intently.

2400
02:08:06,853 --> 02:08:09,246
People will say that
about Bubba the Love Sponge.

2401
02:08:24,697 --> 02:08:27,134
In the 45 years that
I've been in American politics,

2402
02:08:27,308 --> 02:08:30,703
I've never seen anything
quite like the politicization

2403
02:08:30,877 --> 02:08:34,445
and weaponization of the entire
criminal justice system

2404
02:08:34,619 --> 02:08:38,493
and using it to target
your political enemies.

2405
02:08:38,667 --> 02:08:40,974
So, it's a two-tiered
justice system,

2406
02:08:41,148 --> 02:08:43,280
uh, and people
are treated differently

2407
02:08:43,454 --> 02:08:45,065
because of their politics.

2408
02:08:45,239 --> 02:08:47,589
Unfortunately, today it's part
of the political process.

2409
02:08:47,763 --> 02:08:49,504
It shouldn't be, but it is.

2410
02:08:49,983 --> 02:08:52,812
Anybody that goes
against this power structure,

2411
02:08:52,986 --> 02:08:56,641
and especially somebody
like Bubba the Love Sponge,

2412
02:08:56,816 --> 02:09:00,776
who is pointing out specific
cases with specific people,

2413
02:09:00,950 --> 02:09:03,997
of course they're gonna get--
they'd do anything they can
to get him off the air.

2414
02:09:04,171 --> 02:09:05,912
They'd need
to get him off the air.

2415
02:09:06,086 --> 02:09:07,652
You're talking about
serious business now.

2416
02:09:07,827 --> 02:09:10,177
You're talking about people
that have a lot at stake.

2417
02:09:10,351 --> 02:09:13,093
And if you think for one minute
that it has to do

2418
02:09:13,267 --> 02:09:16,792
with goofiness,
and shock jocks, and sex tapes,

2419
02:09:16,966 --> 02:09:19,839
well, that's what they need
the public to think it's about,

2420
02:09:20,448 --> 02:09:23,233
because the public
can sink their teeth into that.

2421
02:09:23,407 --> 02:09:26,019
But when you start
getting down into the specifics
of corruption,

2422
02:09:26,193 --> 02:09:27,847
which Bubba did all the time--

2423
02:09:28,021 --> 02:09:30,588
It wasn't a one-off.
He did it all the time.

2424
02:09:31,938 --> 02:09:33,766
They're gonna get you
off the air
and they're gonna do anything

2425
02:09:33,940 --> 02:09:35,768
to get you off the air
and shut you up.

2426
02:09:35,942 --> 02:09:37,334
And that's what's
happened to Bubba,

2427
02:09:37,508 --> 02:09:39,119
and that's what's
happened to others,

2428
02:09:39,728 --> 02:09:42,296
uh, since then, because that has
become their formula.

2429
02:09:42,470 --> 02:09:44,385
Their formula is to shut you up.

2430
02:09:47,867 --> 02:09:51,914
There's been a transformation,
uh, with news,
uh as far as ethics,

2431
02:09:52,088 --> 02:09:55,135
but I think it goes even further
into the morals of the people

2432
02:09:55,309 --> 02:09:58,921
involved with spreading
the shit that's going on.

2433
02:09:59,095 --> 02:10:00,880
It's not the same.

2434
02:10:01,054 --> 02:10:03,796
Uh, the ethics have been
tossed out of the window.

2435
02:10:03,970 --> 02:10:06,668
Uh, the facts have been
tossed out of the window.

2436
02:10:06,842 --> 02:10:10,890
Anybody can pop up on,
on some podcast or this or that

2437
02:10:11,064 --> 02:10:13,283
and say something,
and then all of a sudden

2438
02:10:13,457 --> 02:10:15,503
the media is running with it
like it's factual,

2439
02:10:15,677 --> 02:10:17,505
like it's true.

2440
02:10:17,679 --> 02:10:19,594
We live in a society now where--
It's just first.

2441
02:10:19,768 --> 02:10:21,509
Who cares? Get it out there.

2442
02:10:21,683 --> 02:10:23,467
We don't care who it hurts.
We don't care who we destroy.

2443
02:10:23,641 --> 02:10:25,730
We don't care if it's true.
Just say it. Sell it.

2444
02:10:25,905 --> 02:10:28,211
What happens when more
than 100 intellectuals

2445
02:10:28,385 --> 02:10:32,737
make a bid to defend free speech
in the face of cancel culture?

2446
02:10:32,912 --> 02:10:35,175
They get canceled, of course,
proving the existence

2447
02:10:35,349 --> 02:10:38,700
of exactly the sentiments about
which they were complaining.

2448
02:10:38,874 --> 02:10:40,702
But that's not
what Rogan was taking.

2449
02:10:40,876 --> 02:10:42,835
But CNN didn't care,
and lied about it

2450
02:10:43,009 --> 02:10:44,924
and said Rogan
was taking horse pills.

2451
02:10:45,098 --> 02:10:46,447
- Just a lie.
- I don't think anyone is thick.

2452
02:10:46,621 --> 02:10:48,275
But don't you think
that a lie like that

2453
02:10:48,449 --> 02:10:49,929
is dangerous on a news network?

2454
02:10:50,103 --> 02:10:51,800
When you know
that they know they're lying?

2455
02:10:51,974 --> 02:10:53,846
The other thing you notice
when you take a little time off

2456
02:10:54,020 --> 02:10:56,718
is how unbelievably stupid

2457
02:10:56,892 --> 02:10:59,547
most of the debates
you see on television are.

2458
02:10:59,721 --> 02:11:02,463
Notably, Tucker Carlson
did not mention Fox News,

2459
02:11:02,637 --> 02:11:04,857
nor the reason
for his departure.

2460
02:11:05,031 --> 02:11:09,731
Everything in this day and age
is politically motivated.

2461
02:11:10,210 --> 02:11:13,691
Whatever side you're on.
What the hell's going on here?

2462
02:11:14,214 --> 02:11:18,044
You should all be known
for factual information,

2463
02:11:18,218 --> 02:11:21,003
the best that you can get,
and bring it to the public

2464
02:11:21,177 --> 02:11:24,789
to digest and let them
make their decision.

2465
02:11:25,268 --> 02:11:27,227
CEO Mark Zuckerberg
is pointing fingers

2466
02:11:27,401 --> 02:11:29,620
at the Biden administration
over Covid-19.

2467
02:11:29,794 --> 02:11:32,058
The head of Facebook
and Instagram's parent company,
Meta,

2468
02:11:32,232 --> 02:11:34,364
says in 2021, he was pressured

2469
02:11:34,538 --> 02:11:37,367
to censor social media content
about the pandemic.

2470
02:11:37,541 --> 02:11:40,414
If I could wave a wand,
how about an honest media,

2471
02:11:40,588 --> 02:11:43,634
one that wasn't full
of jackals with an agenda?

2472
02:11:43,808 --> 02:11:48,161
Washington Post,
New York Times,
Wall Street Journal, MSNBC.

2473
02:11:48,335 --> 02:11:50,685
The, the-- My friend
Sean Hannity is right.

2474
02:11:50,859 --> 02:11:53,601
Journalism today is dead. Dead.

2475
02:11:56,909 --> 02:11:59,346
Uh, and when you have
one-party government,

2476
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:02,958
uh, or you have a media
that is completely dominated,

2477
02:12:03,132 --> 02:12:08,746
owned and controlled
with people, with one narrative,
one point of view,

2478
02:12:08,921 --> 02:12:12,968
putting aside whether that's
the truth or not, you have
a very dangerous situation.

2479
02:12:13,142 --> 02:12:18,278
Censorship is the single
most dangerous problem
in the country.

2480
02:12:18,452 --> 02:12:20,889
The establishment hates us

2481
02:12:21,716 --> 02:12:25,763
because we're not afraid
to call people out

2482
02:12:25,938 --> 02:12:29,071
that are doing bad things,

2483
02:12:29,245 --> 02:12:33,510
or that are part
of the good old boy network.

2484
02:12:33,684 --> 02:12:36,035
I came in here
like a wrecking ball.

2485
02:12:36,209 --> 02:12:39,386
I, I, I describe myself
as the People's Hammer.

2486
02:12:39,560 --> 02:12:41,779
Say it like it is. Our mouths--

2487
02:12:41,954 --> 02:12:44,304
I guess it'd be our mouths
get us in trouble.

2488
02:12:45,131 --> 02:12:47,655
I, I guess there was
a point in time in journalism

2489
02:12:47,829 --> 02:12:51,833
when it was really
a source to be trusted.

2490
02:12:52,007 --> 02:12:54,488
Honorable people
were doing an honorable job

2491
02:12:54,662 --> 02:12:56,577
to get the information
and facts to people.

2492
02:12:57,099 --> 02:12:59,884
Uh, if they did make a mistake,

2493
02:13:00,059 --> 02:13:02,365
very rarely, but if they did,

2494
02:13:03,279 --> 02:13:05,455
they'd retract and say,
"Oh, we made a mistake,

2495
02:13:05,629 --> 02:13:07,849
but this is..." Bah, bah,
bah, bah, bah, bah, bah.

2496
02:13:08,023 --> 02:13:09,851
You see
less and less of that now.

2497
02:13:10,025 --> 02:13:12,419
What's changed today is that...

2498
02:13:14,160 --> 02:13:17,467
...everybody's their own
media distribution company.

2499
02:13:17,641 --> 02:13:22,342
There's so much information
that's out there,

2500
02:13:22,516 --> 02:13:27,564
and all of that information
is being delivered

2501
02:13:27,738 --> 02:13:32,047
in a way to monetize the person

2502
02:13:32,221 --> 02:13:34,702
that's the origination
of the distribution.

2503
02:13:34,876 --> 02:13:38,314
Unless you can verify--
and I always had a rule of thumb
when I was reporting

2504
02:13:38,488 --> 02:13:40,360
on something very sensitive,

2505
02:13:41,100 --> 02:13:45,843
uh, to have two, if not three,
sources to confirm

2506
02:13:46,018 --> 02:13:48,585
that this is what's happening
and these are
the people involved.

2507
02:13:48,759 --> 02:13:51,327
If I didn't have that,
I never took it to air.

2508
02:13:51,501 --> 02:13:55,853
In order to separate themselves

2509
02:13:56,028 --> 02:14:00,597
from the other million
distribution channels out there,

2510
02:14:00,771 --> 02:14:03,470
people have gotten
more and more aggressive

2511
02:14:03,644 --> 02:14:05,733
with what they say,

2512
02:14:05,907 --> 02:14:08,692
how they say it,
how they spin it...

2513
02:14:09,780 --> 02:14:12,435
...in order to get attention.

2514
02:14:12,609 --> 02:14:18,006
Because in order to get paid,
you have to get attention.

2515
02:14:18,528 --> 02:14:20,226
And in order to get attention,

2516
02:14:20,400 --> 02:14:23,272
you've had to get
more and more edgy.

2517
02:14:23,446 --> 02:14:25,274
Look...
we're Americans.

2518
02:14:25,448 --> 02:14:27,711
Everybody's got
a different opinion.

2519
02:14:27,885 --> 02:14:29,800
You belong to a certain party.

2520
02:14:29,974 --> 02:14:32,368
You have views,
and morals, and ethics

2521
02:14:32,542 --> 02:14:34,370
about certain things.
Bah, bah, bah.

2522
02:14:34,544 --> 02:14:38,983
But discussion,
intelligent discussion,

2523
02:14:39,636 --> 02:14:43,553
respectful discussion
is where you start from.

2524
02:14:44,032 --> 02:14:47,731
One network is known for this,
another one is known for this,

2525
02:14:47,905 --> 02:14:51,387
another one is known for this.
What the hell is going on here?

2526
02:14:52,040 --> 02:14:55,826
You should all be known
for factual information,

2527
02:14:56,000 --> 02:14:58,829
the best that you can get,
and bring it to the public

2528
02:14:59,003 --> 02:15:02,442
to digest and let them
make their decision.

2529
02:15:02,616 --> 02:15:05,314
But that's not happening.

2530
02:15:11,668 --> 02:15:15,759
Why they weren't charged,
I think, also ends up

2531
02:15:15,933 --> 02:15:19,328
having a lot to do
with the Cox case being settled.

2532
02:15:20,416 --> 02:15:24,855
You know, that settlement
stopped that trial

2533
02:15:25,029 --> 02:15:27,684
and additional discovery
and other things

2534
02:15:27,858 --> 02:15:32,036
from becoming public record
that nipped it in the bud.

2535
02:15:32,515 --> 02:15:36,476
You know, I was disappointed
that, that Hogan and Cox settled

2536
02:15:36,650 --> 02:15:41,089
because that was truly going
to tell all the fuckery involved

2537
02:15:41,263 --> 02:15:42,656
in this particular sex tape.

2538
02:15:42,830 --> 02:15:44,919
Based on the fact that Gawker,

2539
02:15:45,093 --> 02:15:49,402
you know,
lost an award for 115 million,

2540
02:15:49,576 --> 02:15:54,320
you know, it's undisclosed.
Nobody knows what
the Cox settlement was for,

2541
02:15:54,494 --> 02:15:56,713
but I'm sure
it had to be significant.

2542
02:15:56,887 --> 02:16:01,327
But that settlement being done
also ended up protecting,

2543
02:16:01,501 --> 02:16:03,590
you know, Mike Calta
and the other people involved

2544
02:16:03,764 --> 02:16:08,334
because that case got squashed,
it got put to bed.

2545
02:16:08,508 --> 02:16:10,292
The media forgot about it.
You know,

2546
02:16:10,466 --> 02:16:12,990
nobody's gonna talk
about what might have happened,

2547
02:16:13,165 --> 02:16:16,777
how would this have gone
if it had gone to trial.

2548
02:16:16,951 --> 02:16:20,563
Nobody does that.
It settles. It's over.

2549
02:16:21,085 --> 02:16:24,654
It gets pushed
to the bottom of the pile.
It's no longer news.

2550
02:16:25,264 --> 02:16:30,356
But that got settled one day
before Mike Calta's deposition.

2551
02:16:30,530 --> 02:16:32,227
What does that tell you?

2552
02:16:39,408 --> 02:16:40,975
Originally, they were hopeful

2553
02:16:41,149 --> 02:16:44,239
that it would get Bubba
terminated immediately.

2554
02:16:45,719 --> 02:16:49,201
I think they were
disappointed in that.

2555
02:16:50,245 --> 02:16:51,942
That took a little bit of time.

2556
02:16:52,682 --> 02:16:54,641
It did eventually happen,

2557
02:16:54,815 --> 02:16:56,469
but it didn't
happen immediately.

2558
02:16:56,643 --> 02:16:59,211
I don't think they considered
all of the facts

2559
02:16:59,385 --> 02:17:02,910
relative to what the laws were

2560
02:17:03,084 --> 02:17:05,129
and how they would affect
the people involved,

2561
02:17:05,304 --> 02:17:06,566
including Bubba.

2562
02:17:06,740 --> 02:17:08,437
I don't think they...

2563
02:17:09,873 --> 02:17:11,571
...really took into account

2564
02:17:12,224 --> 02:17:14,878
the success that Bubba had
as a broadcaster,

2565
02:17:15,052 --> 02:17:18,534
and how he continued
to maintain his listenership

2566
02:17:18,708 --> 02:17:22,538
and his number one ratings
throughout this entire process.

2567
02:17:22,712 --> 02:17:26,760
What Tony Burton miscalculated
was the loft factor,

2568
02:17:27,630 --> 02:17:29,023
lack of fuckin' talent.

2569
02:17:29,197 --> 02:17:31,504
Mike Calta can't,
can't ever be me.

2570
02:17:31,678 --> 02:17:35,899
Everything that Mike Calta would
want to do in radio I've done.

2571
02:17:36,073 --> 02:17:38,162
And he thought,
by taking my show,

2572
02:17:38,337 --> 02:17:40,426
my one local Tampa show,

2573
02:17:40,600 --> 02:17:44,734
that would let him
achieve those, those heights
of what I've done.

2574
02:17:44,908 --> 02:17:47,346
Today, again,
in looking in hindsight,

2575
02:17:47,520 --> 02:17:49,304
that they continued to work

2576
02:17:49,478 --> 02:17:51,306
to try to remove 'em
as soon as possible,

2577
02:17:51,480 --> 02:17:55,005
but the plan was, if they
weren't able to remove him then,

2578
02:17:55,179 --> 02:17:57,356
that they clearly weren't
gonna renew the contract

2579
02:17:57,530 --> 02:18:00,272
and were gonna remove him
at the end of the renewal.

2580
02:18:00,446 --> 02:18:03,013
Which is what's
ended up happening.

2581
02:18:08,323 --> 02:18:12,066
Whether you like him, hate him,
love him, bah, bah, bah,

2582
02:18:12,240 --> 02:18:14,242
the one thing that I can sit
here and tell you,

2583
02:18:14,416 --> 02:18:17,027
after the 30 years
that I've known him,

2584
02:18:17,201 --> 02:18:19,421
he does not bite
his fuckin' tongue.

2585
02:18:19,595 --> 02:18:24,948
He speaks truth
that is hurtful to some people,

2586
02:18:25,688 --> 02:18:27,690
but it's still truth.

2587
02:18:27,864 --> 02:18:30,171
Bubba has not lost his voice
at all in the industry.

2588
02:18:30,345 --> 02:18:34,654
I think that he is reinventing
himself with, uh, new platforms

2589
02:18:34,828 --> 02:18:38,440
like with Twitch,
or Facebook Live, or Twitter,

2590
02:18:38,614 --> 02:18:40,877
or, you know,
these social media channels.

2591
02:18:41,051 --> 02:18:44,533
Uh, there's more
opportunity out there
than there's ever been before,

2592
02:18:44,707 --> 02:18:47,188
and it's harnessing
that opportunity,

2593
02:18:47,362 --> 02:18:52,454
Bubba's learning,
and, uh, without having
to, uh, succumb to

2594
02:18:52,628 --> 02:18:57,241
to or to compromise,
uh, his abilities
with, uh, management,

2595
02:18:57,416 --> 02:19:00,027
like he did in the past
with terrestrial radio.

2596
02:19:00,201 --> 02:19:03,378
So, I think you'll see Bubba
in the next year or two,

2597
02:19:03,552 --> 02:19:06,033
you know, start
to really come into his own.

2598
02:19:06,207 --> 02:19:09,297
Bubba's career, over time,
has changed dramatically,

2599
02:19:09,471 --> 02:19:13,736
but so has the landscape
of broadcast and media.

2600
02:19:13,910 --> 02:19:16,043
You know, today
we're in a digital age.

2601
02:19:16,217 --> 02:19:19,263
So, when Bubba first started,
and when I first started

2602
02:19:19,438 --> 02:19:21,788
repping him in the 1990s,

2603
02:19:21,962 --> 02:19:24,094
you know, there really
wasn't smartphones,

2604
02:19:24,268 --> 02:19:27,663
and, you know, the internet
wasn't used for social media

2605
02:19:27,837 --> 02:19:30,884
and, you know,
terrestrial radio, at the time,

2606
02:19:31,058 --> 02:19:35,323
was a huge medium
for how people got information.

2607
02:19:35,497 --> 02:19:40,720
And so now I may not be
on that sexy FM station
in Tampa, Florida,

2608
02:19:40,894 --> 02:19:44,201
but, you know, I have
250 million views digitally.

2609
02:19:44,376 --> 02:19:46,116
I don't know
if I would have made

2610
02:19:46,290 --> 02:19:49,990
that leap of faith in 2017
when I met with Tom Bean

2611
02:19:50,164 --> 02:19:52,340
and he's like, "Hey, there's
this thing called Twitch,

2612
02:19:52,514 --> 02:19:54,995
and we need to put
your show on it." I'm like,

2613
02:19:55,169 --> 02:19:57,214
"What the fuck are you
talking about, Tom Bean?"

2614
02:19:57,389 --> 02:20:00,653
He's like, "Just trust me.
I got cameras coming
on in the studio."

2615
02:20:00,827 --> 02:20:04,178
Any business is based
on how much, you know,

2616
02:20:04,352 --> 02:20:08,312
revenue it creates
and what it puts, you know,
to the bottom-line profit.

2617
02:20:08,487 --> 02:20:12,665
And radio stations
are well behind the heyday

2618
02:20:12,839 --> 02:20:15,145
of their revenue heights

2619
02:20:15,319 --> 02:20:18,322
and, you know, profit.

2620
02:20:18,497 --> 02:20:20,890
So, it's changed a great deal,

2621
02:20:21,064 --> 02:20:24,198
which has also changed
the way that

2622
02:20:24,372 --> 02:20:27,593
radio DJs broadcast.

2623
02:20:27,767 --> 02:20:30,334
What they're looking for
from radio DJs,

2624
02:20:30,509 --> 02:20:33,294
what they're willing
to pay radio DJs,

2625
02:20:33,468 --> 02:20:36,079
what being a radio DJ is.

2626
02:20:36,253 --> 02:20:39,431
That's where all
these terrestrial radio guys

2627
02:20:39,605 --> 02:20:42,129
need to be going,
but they're not.

2628
02:20:42,303 --> 02:20:44,827
They think
that terrestrial radio
is gonna be there forever.

2629
02:20:45,001 --> 02:20:46,350
And quite frankly, it's not.

2630
02:20:46,525 --> 02:20:48,788
It's continuing to dwindle
not only in size,

2631
02:20:48,962 --> 02:20:50,616
but what they're
paying people too.

2632
02:21:01,670 --> 02:21:04,020
Everybody in the general public
seems to think

2633
02:21:04,194 --> 02:21:08,068
that Bubba's the person
that released this tape,

2634
02:21:08,242 --> 02:21:10,853
and that he released this tape
for his own benefit.

2635
02:21:11,419 --> 02:21:12,681
You know,
when people talk about,

2636
02:21:12,855 --> 02:21:14,901
"Well, he did it
to benefit, you know...

2637
02:21:15,075 --> 02:21:18,121
For, you know,
his personal benefit."

2638
02:21:18,861 --> 02:21:22,691
At the peak of his career,
Bubba was making

2639
02:21:22,865 --> 02:21:25,346
$7 million a year.

2640
02:21:25,999 --> 02:21:30,307
How is he gonna ever make
enough money from the sale

2641
02:21:30,482 --> 02:21:33,223
of an excerpt of one video

2642
02:21:33,397 --> 02:21:35,487
of Hulk Hogan fucking his wife

2643
02:21:35,661 --> 02:21:37,358
that's gonna replace that?

2644
02:21:41,405 --> 02:21:44,626
When you have such a big name
like Bubba the Love Sponge,

2645
02:21:44,800 --> 02:21:47,020
you know, you, you've been
all over the place.

2646
02:21:47,194 --> 02:21:49,631
You're on Howard's, uh, channel.

2647
02:21:49,805 --> 02:21:55,419
You need to find a, a circle
of friends that you can trust.

2648
02:21:55,594 --> 02:21:57,160
You want a bunch
of trusting people

2649
02:21:57,334 --> 02:22:00,512
because there's a lot
of sensitive information

2650
02:22:00,686 --> 02:22:02,644
that goes on behind the scenes.

2651
02:22:02,818 --> 02:22:05,125
And, and, and I think

2652
02:22:05,299 --> 02:22:08,781
somebody that he really,
really trusts,

2653
02:22:08,955 --> 02:22:12,698
like Matt Loyd,
to be able to do what he did,

2654
02:22:12,872 --> 02:22:16,223
I think Bubba started
second guessing himself.

2655
02:22:16,397 --> 02:22:19,487
"Maybe, maybe I'm not
a good, uh, a good person

2656
02:22:19,661 --> 02:22:21,924
to be able to find talent
or people I can trust.

2657
02:22:22,098 --> 02:22:23,752
I thought I had that."

2658
02:22:23,926 --> 02:22:25,406
And, and I think that's

2659
02:22:25,580 --> 02:22:27,190
one of the qualities
that he looks for.

2660
02:22:27,364 --> 02:22:32,805
But he also looks for...
raw clay,

2661
02:22:32,979 --> 02:22:36,939
people that have potential.
Because Bubba is

2662
02:22:37,113 --> 02:22:40,464
not only a fan of radio,
he's an artist of radio.

2663
02:22:40,639 --> 02:22:42,989
Like, a lot of people
just do radio.

2664
02:22:43,163 --> 02:22:46,209
He is an artist.
Like, just down to the--

2665
02:22:46,383 --> 02:22:48,777
Every single little detail.

2666
02:22:48,951 --> 02:22:52,128
Uh, running a tight board
and stuff like that.

2667
02:22:52,912 --> 02:22:55,001
Oh, I, I miss
my old lifestyle a lot.

2668
02:22:55,175 --> 02:22:58,700
I mean, I was living
in a 6500-square-foot mansion.

2669
02:22:58,874 --> 02:23:01,007
I... you know-- Fuck.

2670
02:23:01,181 --> 02:23:03,618
I may was making
a lot of money.
I had an airplane.

2671
02:23:03,792 --> 02:23:06,926
I mean,
you know, all the cool shit
that rich people have.

2672
02:23:07,100 --> 02:23:09,668
You know, I probably
wasn't being responsible,

2673
02:23:09,842 --> 02:23:11,495
and saving, and investing,

2674
02:23:11,670 --> 02:23:13,759
and buying properties
and shit like that,

2675
02:23:13,933 --> 02:23:15,630
but, boy, I was having fun,
you know.

2676
02:23:15,804 --> 02:23:17,414
And I'm having fun now. I just--

2677
02:23:17,589 --> 02:23:19,765
I have fun with an F-150.

2678
02:23:19,939 --> 02:23:23,725
Today, you know, my role
with Bubba is, is probably,

2679
02:23:23,899 --> 02:23:25,988
you, you know,
more of a mentoring role.

2680
02:23:26,162 --> 02:23:28,251
You know,
continuing to help him,

2681
02:23:28,425 --> 02:23:30,253
you know,
look at things differently,

2682
02:23:30,427 --> 02:23:33,300
understand how things work,

2683
02:23:33,779 --> 02:23:35,084
how to...

2684
02:23:36,346 --> 02:23:38,566
...communicate with people,

2685
02:23:38,740 --> 02:23:41,351
how to do the right things.

2686
02:23:41,525 --> 02:23:45,268
To think about,
you know, how his actions
affect other people.

2687
02:23:45,442 --> 02:23:47,662
You know,
it's only taken me 30 years,

2688
02:23:47,836 --> 02:23:49,403
but he's actually
paying attention

2689
02:23:49,577 --> 02:23:52,145
to some of those things now,
which is refreshing.

2690
02:23:52,624 --> 02:23:55,496
That sex tape
has been a pain in my ass,

2691
02:23:55,670 --> 02:23:57,411
but it's caused me to grind.

2692
02:23:57,585 --> 02:23:59,369
It's caused me to appreciate

2693
02:23:59,892 --> 02:24:02,198
the, the smaller things in life.

2694
02:24:02,372 --> 02:24:04,897
Um, I don't make
as much money as I used to,

2695
02:24:05,071 --> 02:24:07,639
but I'm happier
than I ever, ever have been.

2696
02:24:07,813 --> 02:24:11,686
Um, and it's caused me to have
to reinvent myself digitally.

2697
02:24:13,427 --> 02:24:16,212
When someone
comes in and has...

2698
02:24:17,561 --> 02:24:19,389
...the attention of the people,

2699
02:24:20,434 --> 02:24:22,479
the hearts of the people...

2700
02:24:23,742 --> 02:24:25,744
...the, the admiration

2701
02:24:25,918 --> 02:24:28,050
for things that you've been able
to expose, you go to Bubba.

2702
02:24:28,224 --> 02:24:31,271
He, he has a long history
of being the voice
of the people,

2703
02:24:31,445 --> 02:24:33,273
exposing wrongs.

2704
02:24:34,840 --> 02:24:36,450
But he broke a lot of eggs.

2705
02:24:37,016 --> 02:24:39,279
He keeps you on your toes.
It's not the same.

2706
02:24:39,453 --> 02:24:41,498
Every show is different.

2707
02:24:42,064 --> 02:24:43,413
And I think that's the beauty,

2708
02:24:43,587 --> 02:24:45,589
that's his strength
in broadcasting.

2709
02:24:45,764 --> 02:24:48,070
You'll never get bored.
Never get bored.

2710
02:24:48,244 --> 02:24:51,117
And I'm excited to see him
be ahead of the curve.

2711
02:24:51,291 --> 02:24:53,597
When terrestrial radio
is dying, you know,

2712
02:24:53,772 --> 02:24:57,123
he has opened up
new doors for even new--

2713
02:24:57,297 --> 02:24:59,560
Even other radio professionals,

2714
02:24:59,734 --> 02:25:01,780
you know, are following him
once again.

2715
02:25:01,954 --> 02:25:05,609
You know, he has this innate
ability to reinvent himself.

2716
02:25:05,784 --> 02:25:07,307
He struck a nerve.

2717
02:25:07,829 --> 02:25:10,397
And, and, and
if you talk to people

2718
02:25:10,571 --> 02:25:12,181
in and around the community,

2719
02:25:12,355 --> 02:25:15,619
he was a pariah on one end,

2720
02:25:16,185 --> 02:25:19,319
but to the other side,
he was a hero.

2721
02:25:20,015 --> 02:25:23,627
You know,
I feel like the justice system
really let me down.

2722
02:25:24,193 --> 02:25:27,719
You asked me earlier if I had
learned anything from this.

2723
02:25:27,893 --> 02:25:30,809
I sure did.
Because if you piss off
the wrong people

2724
02:25:30,983 --> 02:25:32,332
or the people of power,

2725
02:25:32,506 --> 02:25:34,421
your personal rights
don't mean shit.

2726
02:25:34,987 --> 02:25:36,640
And if you don't think
it can happen to you,

2727
02:25:36,815 --> 02:25:38,294
fuck around and find out.

2728
02:25:38,468 --> 02:25:40,514
You're just a stupid-ass jobber.

2729
02:25:40,688 --> 02:25:43,125
Trust me,
it can happen to anybody.

2730
02:25:43,299 --> 02:25:45,040
It doesn't matter who you are.

2731
02:25:45,214 --> 02:25:47,695
From Donald Trump to Bubba Clem.

2732
02:25:47,869 --> 02:25:50,829
He is finally-- you know,
he's gone back to the basics.

2733
02:25:51,003 --> 02:25:53,048
He understands
the importance of family.

2734
02:25:53,222 --> 02:25:56,269
He has
a wonderful support system.

2735
02:25:56,443 --> 02:25:59,446
Um, he, he, has
some wonderful friends.

2736
02:25:59,620 --> 02:26:02,797
And, you know,
the people, in the end,
it's not who wants--

2737
02:26:02,971 --> 02:26:05,539
Everyone wants to ride with you
when you have a private jet,

2738
02:26:05,713 --> 02:26:08,368
but who wants to ride with you
when you're taking the bus?

2739
02:26:08,542 --> 02:26:11,937
He finally has that group
of people, and he's soaring.

2740
02:26:12,111 --> 02:26:14,417
I mean, he's,
he's doing phenomenal.

2741
02:26:14,591 --> 02:26:16,419
And it's, it's,
it's not a surprise.

2742
02:26:16,593 --> 02:26:19,205
With, with his talent
and tenacity,

2743
02:26:19,379 --> 02:26:21,947
I'm really excited
for this next chapter.

2744
02:26:22,121 --> 02:26:24,036
I now know
what the consequences

2745
02:26:24,210 --> 02:26:26,995
of taking people of power out.

2746
02:26:27,169 --> 02:26:29,650
And you know what?
I'm gonna keep
right on doing it,

2747
02:26:29,824 --> 02:26:31,608
because that's
who the fuck I am.

2748
02:26:32,305 --> 02:26:34,350
And, you know,
the bottom line is,

2749
02:26:35,264 --> 02:26:39,007
it's all because I have
the best, most loyal fans

2750
02:26:39,181 --> 02:26:41,575
of any radio personality ever.

2751
02:26:41,749 --> 02:26:43,925
They're affectionately called
the Bubba Army.

2752
02:26:44,099 --> 02:26:46,536
The Bubba Army strong,
the Bubba Army proud,

2753
02:26:46,710 --> 02:26:48,669
the Bubba Army,
they're not going anywhere.

2754
02:26:51,019 --> 02:26:53,239
It's okay. You can't kill me.

2755
02:26:53,413 --> 02:26:55,545
You tried to fucking kill me,
but you didn't.

2756
02:26:56,503 --> 02:26:58,461
I'm like the cockroach of radio.

2757
02:26:58,635 --> 02:27:00,028
I ain't going nowhere.

2758
02:28:01,785 --> 02:28:04,484
♪ Soul swingin', yeah ♪

2759
02:28:04,658 --> 02:28:06,486
♪ Soul swingin' ♪

2760
02:28:07,487 --> 02:28:10,229
♪ Soul swingin', yeah ♪

2761
02:28:10,403 --> 02:28:12,579
♪ Soul swingin' ♪

2762
02:28:13,232 --> 02:28:15,974
♪ Soul swingin', yeah ♪

2763
02:28:16,148 --> 02:28:17,976
♪ Soul swingin' ♪

2764
02:28:18,977 --> 02:28:21,718
♪ Soul swingin', yeah ♪

2765
02:28:21,893 --> 02:28:24,069
♪ Soul swingin' ♪

2766
02:28:30,684 --> 02:28:32,686
Terry, we're on the air.
-  What?

2767
02:28:32,860 --> 02:28:34,731
I-- I'm just saying
we're on the air right now.

2768
02:28:34,906 --> 02:28:36,472
Yeah, we're not
in a huddle making the plans.

2769
02:28:36,646 --> 02:28:38,170
-  Yeah.
-  Oh. Okay. Well, fuck--

2770
02:28:38,344 --> 02:28:40,346
When did Brent become
the fucking quarterback?

2771
02:28:40,520 --> 02:28:42,783
When did Brent become
the fucking quarterback?

2772
02:28:42,957 --> 02:28:45,133
Well,
I'm the offensive coordinator.
I'm trying to tell you.

2773
02:28:45,307 --> 02:28:46,700
You guys have made him
bad for the cause.

2774
02:28:47,440 --> 02:28:49,050
All you have to do
is play my clips and then--

2775
02:28:49,224 --> 02:28:51,183
And if, if, if anything
that I said, that's real,

2776
02:28:51,357 --> 02:28:53,054
it's, it's completely
invalidated

2777
02:28:53,228 --> 02:28:54,708
because theFear Factor guy
just said it.

2778
02:28:54,882 --> 02:28:56,144
I'm bad, I'm bad for the cause.

2779
02:29:01,933 --> 02:29:03,369
You let Sluggo feel your boobs

2780
02:29:03,543 --> 02:29:05,240
and see how the,
the, the new gummy--

2781
02:29:05,414 --> 02:29:07,155
Not that he's felt
a lot of boobs. I don't know.

2782
02:29:07,329 --> 02:29:08,983
Yes. But, I mean,
you know, the--

2783
02:29:09,157 --> 02:29:11,203
on how the, the, the gummy
texture is a problem.

2784
02:29:11,377 --> 02:29:13,770
Are you medically trained?
Can I, can I

2785
02:29:13,945 --> 02:29:16,817
- put this out there as,
like, a breast exam?
-  Of course.

2786
02:29:16,991 --> 02:29:19,037
But you're right.

2787
02:29:19,211 --> 02:29:21,778
There's hate in this country.
It's at an all-time level,

2788
02:29:21,953 --> 02:29:23,867
with the exception
of the Civil War.

2789
02:29:24,042 --> 02:29:25,521
Well, you know, and, Bill,
I've been a victim

2790
02:29:25,695 --> 02:29:27,741
of people wanting
to destroy my career.

2791
02:29:27,915 --> 02:29:30,222
You have-- There-- There's
a thing in the news today.

2792
02:29:30,396 --> 02:29:32,746
But she, you know,
she's, like, got this

2793
02:29:32,920 --> 02:29:34,617
big thing, that she'd love
to do Playboy

2794
02:29:34,791 --> 02:29:36,968
just because, you know,
whatever. Because it's like

2795
02:29:37,142 --> 02:29:38,926
- a, you know, almost a--
-  But it's kind of fun,
you know.

2796
02:29:39,100 --> 02:29:40,580
It's an icon-type deal.
And I'm like-- I'm--

2797
02:29:40,754 --> 02:29:42,103
I have a problem
with my wife doing Playboy.

2798
02:29:42,277 --> 02:29:44,105
-  Why?
-  You're supposed

2799
02:29:44,279 --> 02:29:45,977
- to be on my team, asshole.
-  No, I'm just asking.

2800
02:29:46,151 --> 02:29:47,413
I, I understand
your pain on that one.

2801
02:29:47,587 --> 02:29:48,762
Yeah.

2802
02:29:48,936 --> 02:29:49,893
Bubba is a real man.

2803
02:29:50,068 --> 02:29:51,069
He told everyone here off.

2804
02:29:51,591 --> 02:29:53,549
And, uh...

2805
02:29:55,682 --> 02:29:57,292
-  That's right.
Took the punishment.
-  And you know what?

2806
02:29:57,466 --> 02:29:59,686
Benji, I'm, I'm accepting
my punishment, am I not?

2807
02:29:59,860 --> 02:30:01,688
I'm trying to pick up
the pieces. You know,
I mean, today, I--

2808
02:30:01,862 --> 02:30:04,343
You're on, you're on thin ice.
Howard hates you, Benji.

2809
02:30:04,517 --> 02:30:06,475
Oh, like,
Jay-Z and those guys,

2810
02:30:06,649 --> 02:30:08,173
those are new money.
You're, like, mid-level,

2811
02:30:08,347 --> 02:30:10,218
but, like, uh, you know,
midlife crisis money.

2812
02:30:10,392 --> 02:30:12,438
And then Jerry
would be old-school money.

2813
02:30:12,612 --> 02:30:14,831
Yeah, Jerry-- I mean,
Jerry busted his ass to get

2814
02:30:15,006 --> 02:30:17,660
what he got, man.
He was, he was always
getting...

2815
02:30:19,097 --> 02:30:21,664
♪ Soul swingin', yeah ♪

2816
02:30:21,838 --> 02:30:24,450
- ♪ Soul swingin'♪
- ♪ Whoo! ♪

2817
02:30:24,624 --> 02:30:26,495
♪ Soul swingin', yeah ♪